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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jul 23 8.51am | |
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Apparently she had the full support of the board until the chancellor / HMG / major shareholder told them to fire her. The question now should be why on earth did the board think she could stay?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Jul 23 9.09am | |
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As I said before this event has provided Farage a huge propaganda opportunity which he is continuing to milk. Something which is not in the public interest! There is a great deal of misreporting going on as a consequence of the claims being made by him, which the government are reinforcing by their own response. Which suggests to me that their fear of Farage remains alive and well. Let’s be clear. Farage was not “debanked” because of his political views, despite all the claims to the contrary by him which seemed to have been swallowed by so many and regurgitated as fact. He was “debanked” because someone holding those views was seen as a business threat as a consequence of the way other customers, and potential customers, could perceive them. Some might say, there’s no difference, but there is and it’s a very important one. It’s not the bank’s view of him that was considered. I doubt they have a view. It’s the view of their customers which was. The reason for the “debanking” was solely to do with potential reputational damage. I have no doubt that Coutts have held accounts for some seriously unpleasant people in the past and done nothing about them. That though was then. This is now, and times, standards and responses have all evolved. That the CEO has had to resign is a completely separate issue, although once again I somehow doubt that will be accepted. She handled this very badly and had no alternative. Misleading the BBC and forcing them to apologise was embarrassing enough but breaking client confidentiality was beyond that. Trust between a bank and their client is paramount and must never be broken. She has caused immense damage to Nat West and the whole financial services industry. Her behaviour is though nothing to do with the underlying principle that banks can make their own decisions, for their own reasons, on who they accept and retain, as customers. Banks are not public utilities to which we all have a right of access. It could come to pass that the government, through the FCA, will require banks to give a notice period prior to closure, with an explanation of why it is happening and for there to be the opportunity to appeal. They could also require the high street banks to provide a basic facility to everyone who requests one. Something that must remain in credit to function and has charges for every transaction. All of which makes sense. What does not is the way Farage’s claims about being “debanked” for his political views have just been accepted, with little or no question.
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georgenorman 26 Jul 23 9.28am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I said before this event has provided Farage a huge propaganda opportunity which he is continuing to milk. Something which is not in the public interest! There is a great deal of misreporting going on as a consequence of the claims being made by him, which the government are reinforcing by their own response. Which suggests to me that their fear of Farage remains alive and well. Let’s be clear. Farage was not “debanked” because of his political views, despite all the claims to the contrary by him which seemed to have been swallowed by so many and regurgitated as fact. He was “debanked” because someone holding those views was seen as a business threat as a consequence of the way other customers, and potential customers, could perceive them. Some might say, there’s no difference, but there is and it’s a very important one. It’s not the bank’s view of him that was considered. I doubt they have a view. It’s the view of their customers which was. The reason for the “debanking” was solely to do with potential reputational damage. I have no doubt that Coutts have held accounts for some seriously unpleasant people in the past and done nothing about them. That though was then. This is now, and times, standards and responses have all evolved. That the CEO has had to resign is a completely separate issue, although once again I somehow doubt that will be accepted. She handled this very badly and had no alternative. Misleading the BBC and forcing them to apologise was embarrassing enough but breaking client confidentiality was beyond that. Trust between a bank and their client is paramount and must never be broken. She has caused immense damage to Nat West and the whole financial services industry. Her behaviour is though nothing to do with the underlying principle that banks can make their own decisions, for their own reasons, on who they accept and retain, as customers. Banks are not public utilities to which we all have a right of access. It could come to pass that the government, through the FCA, will require banks to give a notice period prior to closure, with an explanation of why it is happening and for there to be the opportunity to appeal. They could also require the high street banks to provide a basic facility to everyone who requests one. Something that must remain in credit to function and has charges for every transaction. All of which makes sense. What does not is the way Farage’s claims about being “debanked” for his political views have just been accepted, with little or no question. Farage was clearly 'debanked' because of his political views. It's nonsense to suggest it was just to do with the bank's reputation. Their account holders wouldn't give two figs for Farage having an account and the public in general just think Coutts is for rich b*****ds anyway. The Coutts boss should resign too.
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jul 23 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I said before this event has provided Farage a huge propaganda opportunity which he is continuing to milk. Something which is not in the public interest! There is a great deal of misreporting going on as a consequence of the claims being made by him, which the government are reinforcing by their own response. Which suggests to me that their fear of Farage remains alive and well. Let’s be clear. Farage was not “debanked” because of his political views, despite all the claims to the contrary by him which seemed to have been swallowed by so many and regurgitated as fact. He was “debanked” because someone holding those views was seen as a business threat as a consequence of the way other customers, and potential customers, could perceive them. Some might say, there’s no difference, but there is and it’s a very important one. It’s not the bank’s view of him that was considered. I doubt they have a view. It’s the view of their customers which was. The reason for the “debanking” was solely to do with potential reputational damage. I have no doubt that Coutts have held accounts for some seriously unpleasant people in the past and done nothing about them. That though was then. This is now, and times, standards and responses have all evolved. That the CEO has had to resign is a completely separate issue, although once again I somehow doubt that will be accepted. She handled this very badly and had no alternative. Misleading the BBC and forcing them to apologise was embarrassing enough but breaking client confidentiality was beyond that. Trust between a bank and their client is paramount and must never be broken. She has caused immense damage to Nat West and the whole financial services industry. Her behaviour is though nothing to do with the underlying principle that banks can make their own decisions, for their own reasons, on who they accept and retain, as customers. Banks are not public utilities to which we all have a right of access. It could come to pass that the government, through the FCA, will require banks to give a notice period prior to closure, with an explanation of why it is happening and for there to be the opportunity to appeal. They could also require the high street banks to provide a basic facility to everyone who requests one. Something that must remain in credit to function and has charges for every transaction. All of which makes sense. What does not is the way Farage’s claims about being “debanked” for his political views have just been accepted, with little or no question. I spent my career working in banking and during my time I saw all sorts of activity relating to famous people. We all signed a confidentiality clause. What I am amazed about is that the CEO and the board could think she should hang onto her job. If that had happened then it would have been a green light for more junior staff to reveal details about other famous people. At any employment tribunal the lawyers would argue that said person should not have been sacked as the CEO did the very same thing. This is not whistle blowing illegal activities but disclosing someone's legal business. Why on earth she disclosed in the first place and then thought she could ride out the storm just shows how arrogant she and the other seniors are.
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silvertop Portishead 26 Jul 23 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
A Farage win. And all down to one of the biggest own-goals by the Establishment in a long time. And it ain't over yet. Talk of a massive group action by others who have been 'de-banked'. The Nat-West is now very much in play. Since 2020, the law only requires banks to provide base level service - money in, money out. If any de-banked customers were offered that, or they were de-banked before the law came in force, I fear their case may not get off the ground.
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thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 26 Jul 23 9.54am | |
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I think under the GDPR regulations that the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) can fine the company involved up to Ł20 million or 4% of their revenue, if they breach the regulations, ie giving out personal data like this without permission of the data subject.
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Spiderman Horsham 26 Jul 23 10.04am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I said before this event has provided Farage a huge propaganda opportunity which he is continuing to milk. Something which is not in the public interest! There is a great deal of misreporting going on as a consequence of the claims being made by him, which the government are reinforcing by their own response. Which suggests to me that their fear of Farage remains alive and well. Let’s be clear. Farage was not “debanked” because of his political views, despite all the claims to the contrary by him which seemed to have been swallowed by so many and regurgitated as fact. He was “debanked” because someone holding those views was seen as a business threat as a consequence of the way other customers, and potential customers, could perceive them. Some might say, there’s no difference, but there is and it’s a very important one. It’s not the bank’s view of him that was considered. I doubt they have a view. It’s the view of their customers which was. The reason for the “debanking” was solely to do with potential reputational damage. I have no doubt that Coutts have held accounts for some seriously unpleasant people in the past and done nothing about them. That though was then. This is now, and times, standards and responses have all evolved. That the CEO has had to resign is a completely separate issue, although once again I somehow doubt that will be accepted. She handled this very badly and had no alternative. Misleading the BBC and forcing them to apologise was embarrassing enough but breaking client confidentiality was beyond that. Trust between a bank and their client is paramount and must never be broken. She has caused immense damage to Nat West and the whole financial services industry. Her behaviour is though nothing to do with the underlying principle that banks can make their own decisions, for their own reasons, on who they accept and retain, as customers. Banks are not public utilities to which we all have a right of access. It could come to pass that the government, through the FCA, will require banks to give a notice period prior to closure, with an explanation of why it is happening and for there to be the opportunity to appeal. They could also require the high street banks to provide a basic facility to everyone who requests one. Something that must remain in credit to function and has charges for every transaction. All of which makes sense. What does not is the way Farage’s claims about being “debanked” for his political views have just been accepted, with little or no question. Your 4th paragraph suggests he was de banked due to his political views, no? You say it was the banks perception of what their customers opinion about Farage is, did they ask them all for their views? Of course not. How has Farages political views changed since he started banking there? Initially you were taken in by the lack of funds excuse, not true apparently.You seem to be making this into an anti-Farage thread. If the bank had no broken confidentiality he would not been able Edited by Spiderman (26 Jul 2023 10.06am) Edited by Spiderman (26 Jul 2023 10.12am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 23 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I said before this event has provided Farage a huge propaganda opportunity which he is continuing to milk. Something which is not in the public interest! There is a great deal of misreporting going on as a consequence of the claims being made by him, which the government are reinforcing by their own response. Which suggests to me that their fear of Farage remains alive and well. Let’s be clear. Farage was not “debanked” because of his political views, despite all the claims to the contrary by him which seemed to have been swallowed by so many and regurgitated as fact. He was “debanked” because someone holding those views was seen as a business threat as a consequence of the way other customers, and potential customers, could perceive them. Some might say, there’s no difference, but there is and it’s a very important one. It’s not the bank’s view of him that was considered. I doubt they have a view. It’s the view of their customers which was. The reason for the “debanking” was solely to do with potential reputational damage. I have no doubt that Coutts have held accounts for some seriously unpleasant people in the past and done nothing about them. That though was then. This is now, and times, standards and responses have all evolved. That the CEO has had to resign is a completely separate issue, although once again I somehow doubt that will be accepted. She handled this very badly and had no alternative. Misleading the BBC and forcing them to apologise was embarrassing enough but breaking client confidentiality was beyond that. Trust between a bank and their client is paramount and must never be broken. She has caused immense damage to Nat West and the whole financial services industry. Her behaviour is though nothing to do with the underlying principle that banks can make their own decisions, for their own reasons, on who they accept and retain, as customers. Banks are not public utilities to which we all have a right of access. It could come to pass that the government, through the FCA, will require banks to give a notice period prior to closure, with an explanation of why it is happening and for there to be the opportunity to appeal. They could also require the high street banks to provide a basic facility to everyone who requests one. Something that must remain in credit to function and has charges for every transaction. All of which makes sense. What does not is the way Farage’s claims about being “debanked” for his political views have just been accepted, with little or no question. The ravings of a delusional. It is quite clear what has happened here, and the entire board of this bank has to resign. You think democracy and freedom of speech is not in the public interest?
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Matov 26 Jul 23 10.49am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The very crux of the entire s***-storm. An arrogance beyond comprehension. For me now the very key to trying to make sense of this. Anybody with even the most basic knowledge of understanding data-protection protocols is aware of what a huge no-no this is. And she must have believed she would get away with it. That is what fascinates me. That level of hubris can only come about from a wider culture of believing you are untouchable.
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eaglesdare 26 Jul 23 10.51am | |
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My thoughts and prayers are with those on this thread who seem to be malfunctioning at the thought of Nigel Farage being right.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Jul 23 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I spent my career working in banking and during my time I saw all sorts of activity relating to famous people. We all signed a confidentiality clause. What I am amazed about is that the CEO and the board could think she should hang onto her job. If that had happened then it would have been a green light for more junior staff to reveal details about other famous people. At any employment tribunal the lawyers would argue that said person should not have been sacked as the CEO did the very same thing. This is not whistle blowing illegal activities but disclosing someone's legal business. Why on earth she disclosed in the first place and then thought she could ride out the storm just shows how arrogant she and the other seniors are. I don’t disagree but don’t you think that the “full support” statement was more likely just a public relations press release rather than actually from the Board, who probably weren’t, or even could not have all been, contacted? Feels like a knee jerk reaction rather than a considered response to me. She rightly carries the can for this disaster. Quiet retirement to grow flowers seems her future.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Jul 23 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The ravings of a delusional. It is quite clear what has happened here, and the entire board of this bank has to resign. You think democracy and freedom of speech is not in the public interest?
I can't believe that WE actually agrees that someone can be de-banked and effectively unable to function in society because of legally held views shared by many. I know WE is a pompous wanna be know it all who thinks being contrarian is somehow demonstrating a value but in this case I simply can't countenance his thinks this is ok.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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