You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur Match Thread
November 22 2024 8.46am

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur Match Thread

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 17 of 21 < 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 >

  

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jan 23 11.51am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

How do you know that he's too pally with the players ?

Freedman has zero desire to move back into management. Ignorant statement by you.

One thing that certainly frustrates me about PV is his continued selection of your favourite Eze who is doing a good impression of an above average Championship player.

Yesterday was the worst performance I can remember from him since he signed - so, so careless with his passing and a complete passenger out of possession.

Too many of this squad are coasting as they know they get a start regardless - he's definitely one of them.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
eaglesdare Flag 05 Jan 23 11.54am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

What's with all the bed wetting? Win some you loose some! You go through tough periods and you also go through purple patches. We will get to 40 points don't worry. Missing link is just a midfielder

Look at Southampton (similar club to us) they have a few years on us in the prem league and struggling massively this season and also west ham!

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jan 23 11.58am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Yesterday was the worst performance I can remember from him since he signed - so, so careless with his passing and a complete passenger out of possession.

Too many of this squad are coasting as they know they get a start regardless - he's definitely one of them.

Probably about 5 years ago, I heard that Eze need to improve his work off the ball, that he needed to add work rate to his game.Later I heard that when he is "On it" he is unplayable but that he hasn't always been "On it".
Alas nothing has changed.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jan 23 12.12pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Probably about 5 years ago, I heard that Eze need to improve his work off the ball, that he needed to add work rate to his game.Later I heard that when he is "On it" he is unplayable but that he hasn't always been "On it".
Alas nothing has changed.

Which is fine - that's his playing style and consistency is difficult to achieve when you're tasked with creating moments of magic - he has some genuinely exceptional qualities to balance out the flaws in his game.

But, he shouldn't feel like his starting spot is guaranteed and he probably shouldn't be anywhere near a central midfield position at this level (given the aforementioned flaws).

He is a luxury player - there's nothing wrong with that in itself, but it requires building a team/system to make it work.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 05 Jan 23 12.20pm Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Originally posted by batcountry

If anyone let Kane wander into the box especially for Kanes second it was Guehi. Not schlupp. And wards attempt to stop him was pathetic.

For me Ward should have gone with Kane because he was nearest to him but Schlupp just stopped and made no attempt at closing down Gil like he always does and it's the reason he's an utterly useless left back. He's so lazy at closing down crosses and just doesn't. Theres this myth about Schlupp that he's versatile but to me he can play left midfield and thats it, anywhere else and he's a liability.
Guehi was covering the middle and by the time Ward and Schlupp had the pi55 taken out of them it was too late for him to do anything about it. Maybe he could have thrown himself in front of it but the shot was so quick I don't think he knew much about it.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
The groover Flag Danbury 05 Jan 23 12.25pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

The first 3 goals came from the left side lacking cover. Ward went AWOL regularly and was not covered.

I said in the first half to my mate unless we sort the left side out we are screwed.

We need another decent LB urgently.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jan 23 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

For me Ward should have gone with Kane because he was nearest to him but Schlupp just stopped and made no attempt at closing down Gil like he always does and it's the reason he's an utterly useless left back. He's so lazy at closing down crosses and just doesn't. Theres this myth about Schlupp that he's versatile but to me he can play left midfield and thats it, anywhere else and he's a liability.
Guehi was covering the middle and by the time Ward and Schlupp had the pi55 taken out of them it was too late for him to do anything about it. Maybe he could have thrown himself in front of it but the shot was so quick I don't think he knew much about it.

There were Schlupp and Ward just looking in the direction of Gil with no attempt to put him under any pressure whatsoever and Kane with his clever movement just drifted into acres of space. Allowing a player of that quality and finishing ability that much space is scandalous.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jan 23 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

The first 3 goals came from the left side lacking cover. Ward went AWOL regularly and was not covered.

I said in the first half to my mate unless we sort the left side out we are screwed.

We need another decent LB urgently.

To my mind the first goal came from a total lack of cover on the right where Perisic had the space and time to deliver the cross from which Kane scored.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Jan 23 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Yesterday was a prime example of us as a team given Tottenham predictably played two different halves of football.

1. It was predictable to anybody who pays half an eye on football however of course looked like news/ a surprise to us, as everything always does.

2. Against a passive, uninspired first half spurs we looked the better team, more likely to score but failing to do so. I say more likely with the barometer being spurs didn’t even come close to looking like doing so.

3. Second half, two CBs who are more comfortable in possession of the ball than defending, supported by two full backs who might constitute ’OK’ back up players at best but not starting XI, and a non existent midfield meaning every Spurs attach either looked likely to result in a goal or did.

4. We didn’t match them for effort and desire.

5. The leadership of the team either on or off the pitch is not evident anywhere.

6. We have no midfield, poor fullbacks and no recognised goal scorer.

7. Zaha looks to have checked out mentally but still showed more fight and desire than all others.

8. Goalkeeper fantastic shot stopper but poor in all other categories especially in the air and with ball at feet.

I’ve said for a while now when things go our way we look good but the moment it doesn’t we look scarily awful. We’re being beaten by multiple goals to none by second rate and out of form teams. We still need investment in the starting XI and very sincere doubts are starting to creep in about Vieira. It’s not looking good, certainly the next few games.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Jan 23 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

You said after the Bournemouth game, look at what happens when you play the players in their correct positions, same line up last night.
What does Eze, your favourite bring to the team, just seems to drift through games, not tackling or covering back, he lost Doherty for his goal, he was 2 yards behind.
There are now too many flair players, not enough steel in the team. Freeman isn’t the answer as manager as seen at Bolton.

He was voted our best player by the BBC, it would help if someone made some runs, not standing still looking at him, if we had the same 10, with Kane instead of Ayew we would have won comfortably, a CF is our priority, as usual, you might as well get rid of Edouard and Mateta if PV thinks they are not first team standard

 


“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jan 23 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yesterday was a prime example of us as a team given Tottenham predictably played two different halves of football.

1. It was predictable to anybody who pays half an eye on football however of course looked like news/ a surprise to us, as everything always does.

2. Against a passive, uninspired first half spurs we looked the better team, more likely to score but failing to do so. I say more likely with the barometer being spurs didn’t even come close to looking like doing so.

3. Second half, two CBs who are more comfortable in possession of the ball than defending, supported by two full backs who might constitute ’OK’ back up players at best but not starting XI, and a non existent midfield meaning every Spurs attach either looked likely to result in a goal or did.

4. We didn’t match them for effort and desire.

5. The leadership of the team either on or off the pitch is not evident anywhere.

6. We have no midfield, poor fullbacks and no recognised goal scorer.

7. Zaha looks to have checked out mentally but still showed more fight and desire than all others.

8. Goalkeeper fantastic shot stopper but poor in all other categories especially in the air and with ball at feet.

I’ve said for a while now when things go our way we look good but the moment it doesn’t we look scarily awful. We’re being beaten by multiple goals to none by second rate and out of form teams. We still need investment in the starting XI and very sincere doubts are starting to creep in about Vieira. It’s not looking good, certainly the next few games.

Absolutely spot-on.
Both Andersen and Guehi are "Modern Day" ball-playing centre-halves and Andersen in particular has a long diagonal pass in his locker but under pressure in 1 v 1 situations they are found wanting.They can both be bullied off the ball and dominated by more aggressive players.

I also agree with your assessment of Guaita.

Edited by Willo (05 Jan 2023 12.46pm)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
EddieMac Flag 05 Jan 23 12.40pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

To my mind the first goal came from a total lack of cover on the right where Perisic had the space and time to deliver the cross from which Kane scored.

Have a look at the replay and you will see the 1st goal came from a very poor clearance from Guehi I think, straight into Spurs player into the middle of the park.Second was the same type of mistake with Andersen clearing. Which is also Exactly the same thing that Andersen did against Fulham.

Most goals in football are scored after turnovers when the defending team is not set, and we lose more than our fair share this way with bad passing from the back.

I can’t remember the game but Luka lost possesion in the same way and we lost a match. Teams have our cards marked because they know it will happen.

Edited by EddieMac (05 Jan 2023 12.41pm)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

  

Page 17 of 21 < 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur Match Thread