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 Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Feb 23 9.45am |
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Originally posted by YT
Yep; two games unbeaten. A run that will be extended to three on Saturday. That's refreshingly confident YT. I'm liking it and am going to stick with it now until the weekend. 2 Jan signings where I thought there'd be none have boosted my mood too Another 1-1 all I think which I'd happily take.
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MrRobbo  Chaldon 01 Feb 23 10.59am |
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Its going to be an interesting end to the season that’s for sure. We’ve got a bit of buffer, it should be enough but quite a few of these teams have been strengthened, or have underperformed so far. The teams below us and the points they need to catch us: Palace You’d expect WHU to perform better than they have done so far. And you’d expect Dyche to give Everton a bump. Can these new players help these teams make up the deficit? I don’t think all will catch us, some a few certainly will. Forest Leicester Leeds WH Wolves Bornmouth Southampton
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| Goalpost1 Worcester Park 01 Feb 23 11.26am |
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Dyche might make Everton concede less goals but honestly they are something of a basket case at the moment. Very low on confidence and goals and they have not replaced Anthony Gordon too. I think this could be the year where they might drop. Even if they don't then it will be another skin of the teeth job. Edited by Goalpost1 (01 Feb 2023 11.27am)
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| YT Oxford 01 Feb 23 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Its going to be an interesting end to the season that’s for sure. We’ve got a bit of buffer, it should be enough but quite a few of these teams have been strengthened, or have underperformed so far. The teams below us and the points they need to catch us: Palace You’d expect WHU to perform better than they have done so far. And you’d expect Dyche to give Everton a bump. Can these new players help these teams make up the deficit? I don’t think all will catch us, some a few certainly will. Forest Leicester Leeds WH Wolves Bornmouth Southampton A very comprehensive post, but two comments from me: Slightly pedantic of me, but the points those teams need to catch us are the points needed in excess of the points that we achieve. No matter how much money the teams below us have wasted on over-priced players, they - like us - can only have a maximum of 11 players on the pitch at any one time. Furthermore, even in these modern times, players need time to adapt to being at a new club/playing in a new team. That's actually three points, as fellow pedants no doubt have spotted.
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| YT Oxford 01 Feb 23 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Goalpost1
Dyche might make Everton concede less goals but honestly they are something of a basket case at the moment. Very low on confidence and goals and they have not replaced Anthony Gordon too. I think this could be the year where they might drop. Even if they don't then it will be another skin of the teeth job. Edited by Goalpost1 (01 Feb 2023 11.27am) You're sticking your neck out a bit there, matey!!
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| TheBigToePunt 01 Feb 23 1.08pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Its going to be an interesting end to the season that’s for sure. We’ve got a bit of buffer, it should be enough but quite a few of these teams have been strengthened, or have underperformed so far. The teams below us and the points they need to catch us: Palace You’d expect WHU to perform better than they have done so far. And you’d expect Dyche to give Everton a bump. Can these new players help these teams make up the deficit? I don’t think all will catch us, some a few certainly will. Forest Leicester Leeds WH Wolves Bornmouth Southampton As YT says, those teams will need to get that many points to catch us only if we collect none ourselves. You could of course list a few clubs above us, who are in touching distance and who may be dragged down into the mix. There are also games-in-hand to consider. Beyond that, I think your post goes to a subject that interests me generally: The transfer window as retail therapy. Before transfer windows were introduced, teams bought a player when they needed him, and/or were pretty sure he would improve their side. That doesn't mean every transfer turned out well, but clubs were less likely to buy players for the sake of it. Now, the fact you can only trade twice a year makes it feel imperative that you sign someone (maybe anyone) or you've somehow failed. There are articles about which team 'won' the transfer window! Look at this forum; some people seem to get more excited/upset about transfer deadline days than actual games. Each individual signing is a gamble. For all that new faces might give the squad a boost, every new employee may need time to get to know their teammates, settle in the area, understand what their new club and managers want from them, and get used to the culture, language etc, so God knows why signing half a team in one window is a good idea. Too many changes in one go will often disrupt a team, on and off the pitch. Fulham have been relegated every time they've come up partly because they've changed their whole XI in one go. This year they are doing great, having signed a few choice additions to a stable core they kept from last season. Who's to say if the signings listed will be the reason one of those teams stay up, or actually the reason they fall apart? Also, whilst squad depth matters, too many players is a problem. When Mourinho took over Chelsea the first time around he said he only wanted 22 players to work with, and any more was too many because there wasn't enough game time to go around. He didn't want demotivated players, who knew they weren't a big part of the teams objectives, around the place. We could have done with cover at left back and a new, young right back perhaps, but if Schlupp can cover left back and Richards can play right back, that means more minutes on the pitch for the core group, so they are all more focused and less detached. For me, signing four, five or six players in one window is a sign not only that things have gone very wrong, but perhaps that you are getting things wrong in response. Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Feb 2023 1.10pm)
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Feb 23 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by YT
A very comprehensive post, but two comments from me: Slightly pedantic of me, but the points those teams need to catch us are the points needed in excess of the points that we achieve. No matter how much money the teams below us have wasted on over-priced players, they - like us - can only have a maximum of 11 players on the pitch at any one time. Furthermore, even in these modern times, players need time to adapt to being at a new club/playing in a new team. That's actually three points, as fellow pedants no doubt have spotted. Not pedantic in my eyes, all good points. I think the delusion that any player we buy will turn out to be a dud or get a long term injury first game whereas other teams are reinforcing with Ballon D'Or winners and the 'next Messi' always corrupts my mind when analysing such things too.
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| YT Oxford 01 Feb 23 6.47pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Not pedantic in my eyes, all good points. I think the delusion that any player we buy will turn out to be a dud or get a long term injury first game whereas other teams are reinforcing with Ballon D'Or winners and the 'next Messi' always corrupts my mind when analysing such things too. Thanks, Nic. I reiterate that I enjoyed TheBigToePunt's incredibly detailed post, in which he merely invited a discussion i.e. he expressed no delusion (and nor did you accuse him of delusional thoughts). However, the delusion you refer to is I'm sure a common trait among us Palace fans, and possibly amongst ALL fans other than perhaps those of the élite clubs.
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| Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 01 Feb 23 7.58pm |
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We all know that we will get relegated at some point. So let’s just try and enjoy it while it lasts. 10 years and counting now that ain’t bad.
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| OllieMaidstoneEagle Maidstone, Kent 01 Feb 23 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Agree with all your points, but I wouldn't put accepting relegation (which I don't think will happen) down to complacency and arrogance based on the belief that we'll come straight back up. While I think the chances of relegation are slim and none, if we did go down I wouldn't be that bothered not because I think we'd be promoted the following year but because I simply wouldn't miss the cesspit of the PL. It's an awful league; utterly pointless. 14 clubs exist only to make up numbers so 6 or 7 "bigger" ones can generate additional revenues. I support and watch CPFC, not who we're playing. Put me in a competitive, honest, league where we have a chance of success (NOT guaranteed success) and I'll be happy watching football every week. Put me, for instance, watching Palace at Blackburn, Burnley, or Birmingham City; local teams whose supporters care about their clubs instead of being surrounded by plastics at the Etihad and you won't find me crying. I've seen Palace in Division 3, Division 2, Division 1, and the PL. This s***ty, money-obsessed, selfish, plastic excuse for a league we're in now is by far the least pleasurable I've seen us be involved in. But hey, that's just me. Syd you have summed up my sentiments perfectly. When I express these views to my work colleagues/drinking buddies/fellow Palace supporters, I am looked at as if I'm insane.Hats off to you! Ollie's Dad,Ash.
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| sydtheeagle England 01 Feb 23 10.56pm |
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The real takeaway here: that list makes for horrible reading about the state of the game in this country. Around 40 players bought in the window and millions of pounds spent, only 2 of them for a real fee that was pumped back into the football league (Souttar and Semenyo). Otherwise, huge sums exiting British football for mediocre foreign players and draining away into overseas leagues with no benefit to the domestic game at all. Sure; one or two that long list of mediocre foreigners will turn out to the next Caceido. Most will turn out to be the next Mateta. The Premier League is, once again, eating itself.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 01 Feb 23 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
The real takeaway here: that list makes for horrible reading about the state of the game in this country. Around 40 players bought in the window and millions of pounds spent, only 2 of them for a real fee that was pumped back into the football league (Souttar and Semenyo). Otherwise, huge sums exiting British football for mediocre foreign players and draining away into overseas leagues with no benefit to the domestic game at all. Sure; one or two that long list of mediocre foreigners will turn out to the next Caceido. Most will turn out to be the next Mateta. The Premier League is, once again, eating itself. Seconded. It is a monstrosity.
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