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silvertop Portishead 19 Feb 22 8.30am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly it's just a matter of 'when'. And the Russians can't just invade a little bit. It's going to be full-on. The only debatable thing, is the response. Will Ukraine just lie down, in order to reduce casualties and collateral damage, or will it arm and defend itself ? And what assistance will NATO/Europe offer ? My guess, is that the USA and Europe will have to suck it up. They massively took the pl55 trying to expand NATO and now they are rightly going to be shown up as fools. My missus thinks an independent country can do whatever it likes, and NATO is in the right. We all have opinions Underneath the politics I suspect your assessment of what happens is right. Full invasion little resistance West on sidelines spouting ignored rhetoric. However long term I don't know. Afghanistan didn't work so well for them.
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Portishead 19 Feb 22 8.30am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

it's just a matter of 'when'. And the Russians can't just invade a little bit. It's going to be full-on.
The only debatable thing, is the response. Will Ukraine just lie down, in order to reduce casualties and collateral damage, or will it arm and defend itself ?
And what assistance will NATO/Europe offer ?
My guess, is that the USA and Europe will have to suck it up. They massively took the pl55 trying to expand NATO and now they are rightly going to be shown up as fools.

My missus thinks an independent country can do whatever it likes, and NATO is in the right. We all have opinions

Underneath the politics I suspect your assessment of what happens is right. Full invasion little resistance West on sidelines spouting ignored rhetoric.

However long term I don't know. Afghanistan didn't work so well for them.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Feb 22 8.50am
I am from an engineering background, and adopted the principle of KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. That is, to largely ignore the finite nuances of the situation, and concentrate what the big boys want. BJ has already capitulated. Sounding the victory bugle in retreat, by avoiding bloodshed. Not that I'd trust that idiot to do anything requiring military action "Ahead of travelling to Germany, Mr Johnson said that "diplomacy can still prevail" in averting conflict. "There is still a chance to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, but it will require an overwhelming display of western solidarity beyond anything we have seen in recent history," he added. (BBC website) So Western leaders can play the rhetoric of being the big boys, whilst sitting on their hands and unwilling to do anything that will hurt them politically. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Feb 2022 8.53am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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I am from an engineering background, and adopted the principle of KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. That is, to largely ignore the finite nuances of the situation, and concentrate what the big boys want.

BJ has already capitulated. Sounding the victory bugle in retreat, by avoiding bloodshed. Not that I'd trust that idiot to do anything requiring military action

"Ahead of travelling to Germany, Mr Johnson said that "diplomacy can still prevail" in averting conflict.

"There is still a chance to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, but it will require an overwhelming display of western solidarity beyond anything we have seen in recent history," he added. (BBC website)

So Western leaders can play the rhetoric of being the big boys, whilst sitting on their hands and unwilling to do anything that will hurt them politically.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Feb 22 8.57am
Originally posted by silvertop Underneath the politics I suspect your assessment of what happens is right. Full invasion little resistance West on sidelines spouting ignored rhetoric. However long term I don't know. Afghanistan didn't work so well for them. I read a Freddy Forsyth thriller called "The Devils Alternative" somewhere in the 1980's, during the Cold War. Intriguing book, as at that time Ukraine was still striving for independence from the USSR, as other states also were. So when Ukraine finally did achieve independence, it really was ground-breaking. It would be such a shame for it to fall back under Russian control, but the West called their bluff. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Feb 2022 8.58am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 19 Feb 22 8.57am

Originally posted by silvertop

Underneath the politics I suspect your assessment of what happens is right. Full invasion little resistance West on sidelines spouting ignored rhetoric.

However long term I don't know. Afghanistan didn't work so well for them.

I read a Freddy Forsyth thriller called "The Devils Alternative" somewhere in the 1980's, during the Cold War. Intriguing book, as at that time Ukraine was still striving for independence from the USSR, as other states also were.
So when Ukraine finally did achieve independence, it really was ground-breaking. It would be such a shame for it to fall back under Russian control, but the West called their bluff.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Feb 2022 8.58am)

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Feb 22 9.10am
Originally posted by silvertop 😀 Ah, I see the Russians got to your computer already.
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Croydon 19 Feb 22 9.10am

Originally posted by silvertop

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Ah, I see the Russians got to your computer already.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Feb 22 9.19am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly it's just a matter of 'when'. And the Russians can't just invade a little bit. It's going to be full-on. The only debatable thing, is the response. Will Ukraine just lie down, in order to reduce casualties and collateral damage, or will it arm and defend itself ? And what assistance will NATO/Europe offer ? My guess, is that the USA and Europe will have to suck it up. They massively took the pl55 trying to expand NATO and now they are rightly going to be shown up as fools. My missus thinks an independent country can do whatever it likes, and NATO is in the right. We all have opinions I agree if you look at it from Russia's viewpoint pre cold war all the countries around it's eastern borders were it's communist allies. Now nearly all our aligned to Nato and the west. They feel threatened, Putin is using this for his own ends but I think his people will support him. From the 1950's onwards the USA found that Latin American countries were going communist / left they did not like that on their home turf so overthrew those regimes. Cuba (failed) Chile Brazil, Argentina, Panama etc. went right wing just as long as you were anti communist. So it's okay for the US to bully it's neighbours but the Russian are barbarians? One more point
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Beckenham 19 Feb 22 9.19am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

it's just a matter of 'when'. And the Russians can't just invade a little bit. It's going to be full-on.
The only debatable thing, is the response. Will Ukraine just lie down, in order to reduce casualties and collateral damage, or will it arm and defend itself ?
And what assistance will NATO/Europe offer ?
My guess, is that the USA and Europe will have to suck it up. They massively took the pl55 trying to expand NATO and now they are rightly going to be shown up as fools.

My missus thinks an independent country can do whatever it likes, and NATO is in the right. We all have opinions

I agree if you look at it from Russia's viewpoint pre cold war all the countries around it's eastern borders were it's communist allies. Now nearly all our aligned to Nato and the west.

They feel threatened, Putin is using this for his own ends but I think his people will support him.

From the 1950's onwards the USA found that Latin American countries were going communist / left they did not like that on their home turf so overthrew those regimes. Cuba (failed) Chile Brazil, Argentina, Panama etc. went right wing just as long as you were anti communist.

So it's okay for the US to bully it's neighbours but the Russian are barbarians?

One more point

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Feb 22 9.37am
Originally posted by Badger11 I agree if you look at it from Russia's viewpoint pre cold war all the countries around it's eastern borders were it's communist allies. Now nearly all our aligned to Nato and the west. They feel threatened, Putin is using this for his own ends but I think his people will support him. From the 1950's onwards the USA found that Latin American countries were going communist / left they did not like that on their home turf so overthrew those regimes. Cuba (failed) Chile Brazil, Argentina, Panama etc. went right wing just as long as you were anti communist. So it's okay for the US to bully it's neighbours but the Russian are barbarians? ^^, Or indeed, Grenada. (courtesy of Wikipedia) Independence was granted on 7 February 1974 under the leadership of Eric Gairy, who became the first Prime Minister of Grenada of the sovereign state. The new country became a member of the Commonwealth, with Queen Elizabeth as Head of State.[8] In March 1979, the Marxist–Leninist New Jewel Movement overthrew Gairy's government in a bloodless coup d'état and established the People's Revolutionary Government (PRG), headed by Maurice Bishop as Prime Minister.[13] Bishop was later arrested and executed by members of the People's Revolutionary Army, prompting a U.S.-led invasion in October 1983. Since then, the island has returned to a parliamentary representative democracy and has remained politically stable.[8] I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 19 Feb 22 9.37am

Originally posted by Badger11

I agree if you look at it from Russia's viewpoint pre cold war all the countries around it's eastern borders were it's communist allies. Now nearly all our aligned to Nato and the west.

They feel threatened, Putin is using this for his own ends but I think his people will support him.

So it's okay for the US to bully it's neighbours but the Russian are barbarians?

^^, Or indeed, Grenada. (courtesy of Wikipedia)

Independence was granted on 7 February 1974 under the leadership of Eric Gairy, who became the first Prime Minister of Grenada of the sovereign state. The new country became a member of the Commonwealth, with Queen Elizabeth as Head of State.[8] In March 1979, the Marxist–Leninist New Jewel Movement overthrew Gairy's government in a bloodless coup d'état and established the People's Revolutionary Government (PRG), headed by Maurice Bishop as Prime Minister.[13] Bishop was later arrested and executed by members of the People's Revolutionary Army, prompting a U.S.-led invasion in October 1983. Since then, the island has returned to a parliamentary representative democracy and has remained politically stable.[8]

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silvertop Portishead 19 Feb 22 11.05am
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, I see the Russians got to your computer already. Yeah that was my smiley face hacked. Is nothing safe!
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Portishead 19 Feb 22 11.05am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, I see the Russians got to your computer already.

Yeah that was my smiley face hacked.

Is nothing safe!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 22 11.12am
Originally posted by silvertop Yeah that was my smiley face hacked. Is nothing safe! Ve have your WhatsApp for ze false flag, komrade. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 22 11.12am

Originally posted by silvertop

Yeah that was my smiley face hacked.

Is nothing safe!

Ve have your WhatsApp for ze false flag, komrade.

Red and Blue Army!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 22 11.17am
Originally posted by HKOwen Please read the post properly, it does not mention dribbling. That's for the Biden thread. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 22 11.17am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Please read the post properly, it does not mention dribbling.

That's for the Biden thread.

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becky over the moon 19 Feb 22 12.02pm
Originally posted by silvertop Yeah that was my smiley face hacked. Is nothing safe! The technology on this site is so old it still thinks Apple is a fruit........ and if your smilie isn't on the Hol list all you get is $%b*$! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 19 Feb 22 12.02pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Yeah that was my smiley face hacked.

Is nothing safe!

The technology on this site is so old it still thinks Apple is a fruit........ and if your smilie isn't on the Hol list all you get is $%b*$!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 22 12.24pm
I bumped into a Russian the other day. I asked him if he was fed up with the tired old stereotyping portraying the Russians as some kind of throwback to the Soviet era, particularly in light of the Ukraine conflict. He put down his cigarette and vodka, replied, 'Da Komrade' and got back into his Trabant. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 22 12.24pm

I bumped into a Russian the other day. I asked him if he was fed up with the tired old stereotyping portraying the Russians as some kind of throwback to the Soviet era, particularly in light of the Ukraine conflict.
He put down his cigarette and vodka, replied, 'Da Komrade' and got back into his Trabant.

Red and Blue Army!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Feb 22 1.37pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I agree if you look at it from Russia's viewpoint pre cold war all the countries around it's eastern borders were it's communist allies. Now nearly all our aligned to Nato and the west. They feel threatened, Putin is using this for his own ends but I think his people will support him. From the 1950's onwards the USA found that Latin American countries were going communist / left they did not like that on their home turf so overthrew those regimes. Cuba (failed) Chile Brazil, Argentina, Panama etc. went right wing just as long as you were anti communist. So it's okay for the US to bully it's neighbours but the Russian are barbarians? No it's not. Would they do it today? Not so sure they would. I suspect that diplomacy allied with support would be the tactic. Communism is a failed and discredited system. Even China, although still a one party state, uses the principles of capitalism to huge effect. Putin is a believer in the Soviet Union and seems determined to restore it. His acceptance of capitalism is akin to that of a mob boss. He is the danger. Not the USA. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Feb 22 1.37pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I agree if you look at it from Russia's viewpoint pre cold war all the countries around it's eastern borders were it's communist allies. Now nearly all our aligned to Nato and the west.

They feel threatened, Putin is using this for his own ends but I think his people will support him.

So it's okay for the US to bully it's neighbours but the Russian are barbarians?

No it's not. Would they do it today? Not so sure they would. I suspect that diplomacy allied with support would be the tactic. Communism is a failed and discredited system. Even China, although still a one party state, uses the principles of capitalism to huge effect. Putin is a believer in the Soviet Union and seems determined to restore it. His acceptance of capitalism is akin to that of a mob boss. He is the danger. Not the USA.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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