I wonder how many people know about the Holodomor genocide that Stalin carried out. No one's ever really bothered when people talk about it. There is a massive difference in knowledge and teaching and in how much children are taught it.....in fact I bet most people don't even know it happened.

Strange....not.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 4.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Absolutely. And such definitions are often so ham fisted across the board - and hinge on a past we are realistically largely disconnected from,compared to our present. Beyond a point, it's a mistake to get too pulled into it all, and instead we should invest more of our efforts and ideas in our local communities, whatever its composition may be and taking as we find as we go.

The internet doesn't help in my view. It has warped the thinking of many, because 'off the shelf' ideologies are so very easy to opt into, often set peoples own shortcomings or frailties (of course to the writers or video makers financial benefit), and in a transparently full-on way. Half comfort blanket, half crack pipe. People can't get enough of whatever props up their biases - and too much of that changes them for the worse.

Most political whatsapp or facebook messages I get nowadays, whether 'left' or 'right', are so transparent in their angle and intention that the sender may as well just grab me by the neck and tell me that I have to believe this or that. In this madcap age, I have more and more respect for those in my life who realistically give very little away politically, and instead just tend to get on with things, which isn't always easy for any of us, regardless of what box people may be inclined to put us in, and us them.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Feb 2022 4.23pm)

I would suspect that a reasonable proportion of people may not be directly knowledgeable on the subject but may be more broadly aware of a simplified understanding of the fact Stalin led an incredible and brutal purge within the Soviet Union.

Credit to you though Stirling, a true Stakhanovite in sense of contribution to the news/politics section if there ever were one!

Just for clarification and to remove any doubt, I studied Stalin in school and have retained some knowledge incredibly and yes, I'll jump on any opportunity to present as even reasonably educated, even if not in this instance

I would also throw in there that perhaps history is taught on basis of relevance to a populace? I would consider myself far more versed on European affairs than most septics however probably have a far less knowledgeable understanding of American history than most of them. Just a thought... but I do acknowledge
your statement and it's weight as an argument/influence on perspective.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I remember her at the start, she had comic talent, if not dramatically talented.

She was far more libertarian before the woke era....she would do interview shows with people she didn't agree with and actually listen...Now she's a fully signed up member of the progressives and buys into their powerplays and seemingly means it. The contrast to the earlier version of her is quite stark.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes, and I did consider that (Ukrainians and Russians = european) I think I was working more from the angle of us vs Nazis and the subsequent teaching of the holocaust etc. It's always going to spike more interest and gain better traction to teach that which people have more association with. I did not mean in anyway to detract from other atrocities that have occurred elsewhere and still recognise the potential of your point and its relevance which you were asserting however I am admittedly just trying to avoid being drawn into a far wider and deeper theoretical discussion!

I fear it may outrun my own already limited knowledge and cerebral capacity/stamina!

And finally yes, I find Eastern European history genuinely fascinating albeit far too frequently grim, though after my schooling days I would quite happily avoid any discussions regarding Glasnost and Perestroika ever again!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Of course only whites are racists. Barbary slavery never happened, at all, ever. Blacks never came to Europe and put whites into slavery!!!