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 cryrst  The garden of England 26 Jan 21 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The Robert Preston twitter feed on this subject is fascinating. Turns out that the likes of Germany and Italy had been talking to AZ as well, at about the same time as the UK but the EU insisted that it would deal with all vaccines procurement and they stepped aside. With the EU pissing about for well over 2 months. Seen some break down of the contract the EU signed with AZ which made quite clear that there could well be delays in supply due to this being a new process as well. Pretty desperate measures on behalf of the EU along with this attempt last night to rubbish the vaccine itself coming from within Germany, all now strenuously denied. Brussels are in serious, serious trouble over this. Italy is about to go nuclear again (I believe its Government collapsed this morning) and with a host of other bush-fires breaking out all over, then it is really up against it at the moment. And that unimportant little blot of land is causing it all. Ha ha.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jan 21 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The Robert Preston twitter feed on this subject is fascinating. Turns out that the likes of Germany and Italy had been talking to AZ as well, at about the same time as the UK but the EU insisted that it would deal with all vaccines procurement and they stepped aside. With the EU pissing about for well over 2 months. Seen some break down of the contract the EU signed with AZ which made quite clear that there could well be delays in supply due to this being a new process as well. Pretty desperate measures on behalf of the EU along with this attempt last night to rubbish the vaccine itself coming from within Germany, all now strenuously denied. Brussels are in serious, serious trouble over this. Italy is about to go nuclear again (I believe its Government collapsed this morning) and with a host of other bush-fires breaking out all over, then it is really up against it at the moment. I'm getting this story big time in Ireland. It looks like Astra-Zeneca got fed up with the EUs non-approval and are paying them back in kind. I'm reading between the lines, as obviously Astra-Zeneca are the bad guys in our news. Rioting in Holland of all places and their PM stepped down recently over a different scandal.
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Mapletree  Croydon 26 Jan 21 12.56pm |
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How interesting So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm. I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement. Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off.
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| chris123 hove actually 26 Jan 21 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
How interesting So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm. I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement. Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off. Has the AZ been approved yet?
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| BlueJay UK 26 Jan 21 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
That I did. I think I should have been clearer – I meant possible solutions for now, that businesses are considering taking, as in workarounds based on the existing rules rather than what the government could or could not do in future. Theoretical changes will be too late, by then the damage will have been done. If the only way around it is to open a shell company in the EU and distribute from there, it's madness. Also, as per a discussion the other day duty is now charged based on point or origin. As in if a product is deemed to originate from China (which masses of products do) a UK seller is the charged when he or she tries to sell into the EU. The EU on the other hand is a trading block and so can seamlessly move this same item duty free to other EU nations. This stuff should've been sorted in the agreement. They had years to sort this and whether loopholes or oversights these issues are going to put a lot of UK companies out of business.
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| cryrst The garden of England 26 Jan 21 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
How interesting So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm. I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement. Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off. It would have been different as we would now be in the queue the same as the other 27 countries. Being blackmailed in some capacity. Maybe once we are nearly all done with vaccines the uk can blackmail the EU for better terms. Karma the bitch
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Teddy Eagle  26 Jan 21 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Last summer the government was being slaughtered by the media, politicians celebs etc. because we hadn't thrown our lot in with the EU negotiations and that we had missed the boat, back of the queue etc. I wonder if those critics remember that now? Indeed. My mum is 89 and has lived in France for 30 years and hasn’t had her jab yet . She’s been told that locally they’ve run out of vaccine and to ring them in two weeks for an update.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Also, as per a discussion the other day duty is now charged based on point or origin. As in if a product is deemed to originate from China (which masses of products do) a UK seller is the charged when he or she tries to sell into the EU. The EU on the other hand is a trading block and so can seamlessly move this same item duty free to other EU nations. This stuff should've been sorted in the agreement. They had years to sort this and whether loopholes or oversights these issues are going to put a lot of UK companies out of business. It's a complete mess. If they don't smooth it out somehow, why would anyone with any ambition bother starting up a retail business in this country. Insane
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It would have been different as we would now be in the queue the same as the other 27 countries. Being blackmailed in some capacity. Maybe once we are nearly all done with vaccines the uk can blackmail the EU for better terms. Karma the bitch The entire agreement including procurement was arranged under the (now old) EU rules. So it doesn't appear that Brexit has had anything to do with it, at least from a regulatory perspective, but from a political one, sure. Obviously it's complete hearsay but perhaps we'd have pressed on regardless unlike the Germans who pulled back under EU pressure. Makes more sense for them to back out as they're the most influential country in the union, so to be seen gaming vaccine delivery vs. your partners is not a particularly good look for the whole project. One swallow and all that though, everything else in the short term is about to fall on its arse
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| Teddy Eagle 26 Jan 21 2.09pm |
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A view from Germany.
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| chris123 hove actually 26 Jan 21 2.19pm |
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That was from 6 weeks ago - and I'm not sure if things are much changed.
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| Matov 26 Jan 21 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
That was from 6 weeks ago - and I'm not sure if things are much changed. Its a case of a classic over-reach by the EU. Vaccination programmes are primarily a logistics exercise but plans have to be drawn up by a region by region basis. Even a national, one size fits all approach has its drawbacks. Demographics, infrastructure, population density, cultural expectations and a range of other factors which are best handled on a local level come into play and the EU is simply too unwieldy to coordinate all of that. The UK would probably have been better placed than most anyway but the truth is that the EU had no place in getting involved. And now it is deep in the s***. Throw in the French no doubt trying to push their own vaccine, which I understand has been now ditched, and you have a huge mess. Hence all the distraction with the attack on AZ. C'est la Covid.
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