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YT Oxford 09 Mar 19 7.52am
Originally posted by .TUX. I'm aware of that but people adapt. That's what we do. My biggest gripe is that they'll continue to pay more for less. The life is being sucked out of many now so what does the future hold for those who'll be here? The world is turning to rats***. Except you can't, it seems. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 09 Mar 19 7.52am

Originally posted by .TUX.

I'm aware of that but people adapt. That's what we do.
My biggest gripe is that they'll continue to pay more for less.
The life is being sucked out of many now so what does the future hold for those who'll be here?

The world is turning to rats***.

Except you can't, it seems.

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Mar 19 11.08am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol that's out of control capitalism creating a growing 2 tier society pushing more people into poverty and the inevitable rise in crime. eventually it'll lead to anarchy and large scale public disorder But you are supporting a key mechanism that is making that happen.
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09 Mar 19 11.08am

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

that's out of control capitalism creating a growing 2 tier society pushing more people into poverty and the inevitable rise in crime. eventually it'll lead to anarchy and large scale public disorder

But you are supporting a key mechanism that is making that happen.

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 11 Mar 19 12.51pm
In the past I'd be offended as a forever law-abiding black man to be stopped and searched. But if it drastically reduces this knife crime problem and helps create an environment where I can bring a child into this world without the fear of him getting sliced up over an argument, then I'm all for it. Stop and search and increased penalties for knife possession are a good place to start. A side note too, whilst it is black kids killing black kids, we need to look at it more than just a black problem. La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 11 Mar 19 12.51pm

In the past I'd be offended as a forever law-abiding black man to be stopped and searched. But if it drastically reduces this knife crime problem and helps create an environment where I can bring a child into this world without the fear of him getting sliced up over an argument, then I'm all for it. Stop and search and increased penalties for knife possession are a good place to start.

A side note too, whilst it is black kids killing black kids, we need to look at it more than just a black problem.

La la la your mum

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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Mar 19 1.00pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 In the past I'd be offended as a forever law-abiding black man to be stopped and searched. But if it drastically reduces this knife crime problem and helps create an environment where I can bring a child into this world without the fear of him getting sliced up over an argument, then I'm all for it. Stop and search and increased penalties for knife possession are a good place to start. A side note too, whilst it is black kids killing black kids, we need to look at it more than just a black problem. IMO priority must be given to kids who have been expelled from school, there appears to be no track of them. A tough but fair approach is required, but its very depressing to see the government and opposition have little interest in this major problem.
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Croydon 11 Mar 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A side note too, whilst it is black kids killing black kids, we need to look at it more than just a black problem.

IMO priority must be given to kids who have been expelled from school, there appears to be no track of them.

A tough but fair approach is required, but its very depressing to see the government and opposition have little interest in this major problem.

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dannyboy1978 11 Mar 19 1.04pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 In the past I'd be offended as a forever law-abiding black man to be stopped and searched. But if it drastically reduces this knife crime problem and helps create an environment where I can bring a child into this world without the fear of him getting sliced up over an argument, then I'm all for it. Stop and search and increased penalties for knife possession are a good place to start. A side note too, whilst it is black kids killing black kids, we need to look at it more than just a black problem. I like your first statement and wish more people had your view. Your second statement is interesting though because I see it as black problem when a minority turns into the majority. Like muslim rape gangs are an Asian problem Like binge drinking is a white problem. Like FGM is a black/Asian problem. We could keep going. It's not racist to acknowledge a section of society in a multi cultural society who are miss behaving. People wanted MULTIPLE cultures then they have to acknowledged the bad side as well as the good instead of brushing it under the carpet Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Mar 2019 1.09pm)
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11 Mar 19 1.04pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A side note too, whilst it is black kids killing black kids, we need to look at it more than just a black problem.

I like your first statement and wish more people had your view.
Your second statement is interesting though because I see it as black problem when a minority turns into the majority.

Like muslim rape gangs are an Asian problem
Like binge drinking is a white problem.
Like FGM is a black/Asian problem.

We could keep going.

It's not racist to acknowledge a section of society in a multi cultural society who are miss behaving. People wanted MULTIPLE cultures then they have to acknowledged the bad side as well as the good instead of brushing it under the carpet

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Mar 2019 1.09pm)

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 11 Mar 19 1.16pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I like your first statement and wish more people had your view. Your second statement is interesting though because I see it as black problem when a minority turns into the majority. Like muslim rape gangs are an Asian problem Like binge drinking is a white problem. Like FGM is a black/Asian problem. We could keep going. It's not racist to acknowledge a section of society in a multi cultural society who are miss behaving. People wanted MULTIPLE cultures then they have to acknowledged the bad side as well as the good instead of brushing it under the carpet Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Mar 2019 1.09pm) Spot on Danny "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 11 Mar 19 1.16pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I like your first statement and wish more people had your view.
Your second statement is interesting though because I see it as black problem when a minority turns into the majority.

Like muslim rape gangs are an Asian problem
Like binge drinking is a white problem.
Like FGM is a black/Asian problem.

We could keep going.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Mar 2019 1.09pm)

Spot on Danny

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 11 Mar 19 1.47pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I like your first statement and wish more people had your view. Your second statement is interesting though because I see it as black problem when a minority turns into the majority. Like muslim rape gangs are an Asian problem Like binge drinking is a white problem. Like FGM is a black/Asian problem. We could keep going. It's not racist to acknowledge a section of society in a multi cultural society who are miss behaving. People wanted MULTIPLE cultures then they have to acknowledged the bad side as well as the good instead of brushing it under the carpet Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Mar 2019 1.09pm) I never said it was racist? By all means acknowledge that it's a section of society and true it is mainly black people involved, but people of other races are (less frequently) involved and wider communities suffer. The fact that we're all discussing it, to me anyway, shows that it isn't just a black problem La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 11 Mar 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I like your first statement and wish more people had your view.
Your second statement is interesting though because I see it as black problem when a minority turns into the majority.

Like muslim rape gangs are an Asian problem
Like binge drinking is a white problem.
Like FGM is a black/Asian problem.

We could keep going.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Mar 2019 1.09pm)

I never said it was racist? By all means acknowledge that it's a section of society and true it is mainly black people involved, but people of other races are (less frequently) involved and wider communities suffer. The fact that we're all discussing it, to me anyway, shows that it isn't just a black problem

La la la your mum

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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 19 2.47pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I never said it was racist? By all means acknowledge that it's a section of society and true it is mainly black people involved, but people of other races are (less frequently) involved and wider communities suffer. The fact that we're all discussing it, to me anyway, shows that it isn't just a black problem That's true to an extent. All groups have a percent within them who are criminally violent. Humans are humans. However, different groups have different mainstream cultures for different reasons. The risk of violence differs. Essentially this isn't really a solvable problem in my opinion. The best that can be done is the application of plasters.....no doubt racial profiling and being very strict with being found with a knife is an obvious route. It's the kind of painfully obvious stuff that the do gooders stopped......The left calling people with common sense all sorts of names for decades........Most of them never really lived with the problem of course. ..apparently they should be stop and searching little old ladies as well otherwise they are racists.....Look at the left now....now they just look the other way and talk about Police cuts.....when previous decades had proportionally less Police and lower crime. The upshot being far more dead people.....but still, they got to feel good about themselves by signalling about 'institutional racism' and other such bullcrap. There needs to be work within the black community to address the problems of their underclass not taking responsibility over their chidlren's behaviour. Where are the old school socially conservative types? Not enough tough love from within that community to sort itself out. All been known for decades.....one thing you learn early in life....if you take notice.....Nothing ever really changes. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2019 2.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 Mar 19 2.47pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

That's true to an extent. All groups have a percent within them who are criminally violent. Humans are humans.

However, different groups have different mainstream cultures for different reasons. The risk of violence differs.

Essentially this isn't really a solvable problem in my opinion. The best that can be done is the application of plasters.....no doubt racial profiling and being very strict with being found with a knife is an obvious route.

It's the kind of painfully obvious stuff that the do gooders stopped......The left calling people with common sense all sorts of names for decades........Most of them never really lived with the problem of course. ..apparently they should be stop and searching little old ladies as well otherwise they are racists.....Look at the left now....now they just look the other way and talk about Police cuts.....when previous decades had proportionally less Police and lower crime.

The upshot being far more dead people.....but still, they got to feel good about themselves by signalling about 'institutional racism' and other such bullcrap.

There needs to be work within the black community to address the problems of their underclass not taking responsibility over their chidlren's behaviour. Where are the old school socially conservative types? Not enough tough love from within that community to sort itself out.

All been known for decades.....one thing you learn early in life....if you take notice.....Nothing ever really changes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2019 2.54pm)

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Teddy Eagle 11 Mar 19 4.00pm
The Windrush Generation were well known as tough parents so it’s possible that the next generation took a more relaxed attitude toward child rearing. That combined with the rise in “blended families” seems to have created a lot of youngsters feeling isolated and so more susceptible to gang membership and peer pressure. The popularity of rap and drill music seems to fetishise violence and bling culture. Schools have no sanctions except exclusion. There are so many other factors it’s hard to see any one solution. If the only way so many young people can find validation is by stabbing someone to death then society has a big problem. Of course there is also the concept of self responsibility; lots of us have been poor, out of work and had problems at home without thinking stabbing someone would be the answer.
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Teddy Eagle

11 Mar 19 4.00pm

The Windrush Generation were well known as tough parents so it’s possible that the next generation took a more relaxed attitude toward child rearing. That combined with the rise in “blended families” seems to have created a lot of youngsters feeling isolated and so more susceptible to gang membership and peer pressure. The popularity of rap and drill music seems to fetishise violence and bling culture. Schools have no sanctions except exclusion.
There are so many other factors it’s hard to see any one solution.
If the only way so many young people can find validation is by stabbing someone to death then society has a big problem.
Of course there is also the concept of self responsibility; lots of us have been poor, out of work and had problems at home without thinking stabbing someone would be the answer.

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elgrande bedford 11 Mar 19 4.26pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The Windrush Generation were well known as tough parents so it’s possible that the next generation took a more relaxed attitude toward child rearing. That combined with the rise in “blended families” seems to have created a lot of youngsters feeling isolated and so more susceptible to gang membership and peer pressure. The popularity of rap and drill music seems to fetishise violence and bling culture. Schools have no sanctions except exclusion. There are so many other factors it’s hard to see any one solution. If the only way so many young people can find validation is by stabbing someone to death then society has a big problem. Of course there is also the concept of self responsibility; lots of us have been poor, out of work and had problems at home without thinking stabbing someone would be the answer. I agree with this,I remember the first black family moving In to our street in west Norwood. The Mitchells,lovely family went to school with one of them. We used to go around each others houses for tea. My God they were strict on their children,but they were always a lovely family. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 11 Mar 19 4.26pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I agree with this,I remember the first black family moving In to our street in west Norwood.
The Mitchells,lovely family went to school with one of them.
We used to go around each others houses for tea.
My God they were strict on their children,but they were always a lovely family.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Mar 19 5.30pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The Windrush Generation were well known as tough parents so it’s possible that the next generation took a more relaxed attitude toward child rearing. That combined with the rise in “blended families” seems to have created a lot of youngsters feeling isolated and so more susceptible to gang membership and peer pressure. The popularity of rap and drill music seems to fetishise violence and bling culture. Schools have no sanctions except exclusion. There are so many other factors it’s hard to see any one solution. If the only way so many young people can find validation is by stabbing someone to death then society has a big problem. Of course there is also the concept of self responsibility; lots of us have been poor, out of work and had problems at home without thinking stabbing someone would be the answer. "Blended families" my @RSE. Broken homes, teenage single mums, runaway dad's deliberately seeking 'baby mummies as a badge of honour, long term welfare dependency, The destruction of the nuclear family through cultural Marxism, fiscal policy madness where the working classes are rewarded for living broken lives. Rampant imbalances in gender profile of immigrants making men all disposable and interchangeable. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab. Nothing to do with copper numbers on the street. Raising antisocial toerags with no boundaries in every council estate is the problem. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

"Blended families" my @RSE.

Broken homes, teenage single mums, runaway dad's deliberately seeking 'baby mummies as a badge of honour, long term welfare dependency,

The destruction of the nuclear family through cultural Marxism, fiscal policy madness where the working classes are rewarded for living broken lives. Rampant imbalances in gender profile of immigrants making men all disposable and interchangeable. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab.

Nothing to do with copper numbers on the street. Raising antisocial toerags with no boundaries in every council estate is the problem.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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dannyboy1978 11 Mar 19 6.43pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I never said it was racist? By all means acknowledge that it's a section of society and true it is mainly black people involved, but people of other races are (less frequently) involved and wider communities suffer. The fact that we're all discussing it, to me anyway, shows that it isn't just a black problem You have really made your answer wishy washy, you say "mainly black people" I agree. That's the point, end off. Now its the black community that need to acknowledge this and understand why they get targeted in stop and search. They need to point at each other not the police.
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dannyboy1978

11 Mar 19 6.43pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

You have really made your answer wishy washy, you say "mainly black people" I agree. That's the point, end off.

Now its the black community that need to acknowledge this and understand why they get targeted in stop and search. They need to point at each other not the police.

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