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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 18 4.43pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Including the old people in care homes where all the staff are immigrants? Including the patients in NHS hospitals who are in the care of immigrants? Including all the people who ride to work on a bus driven by an immigrant? Including all the people who eat vegetables picked by immigrants? etc etc Not this old routine again. They are here because women stopped having children and went to work or spent their days in the nail bar instead. The West is the new Rome. We expect to have an ideal lifestyle without the hindrance of daily chores or too many children and get foreigners to do all the dirty jobs for us. The rich get richer while society and national identity are slowly eroded. Look how well it went for the Romans and see our future.
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Originally posted by steve1984

Including the old people in care homes where all the staff are immigrants? Including the patients in NHS hospitals who are in the care of immigrants? Including all the people who ride to work on a bus driven by an immigrant? Including all the people who eat vegetables picked by immigrants? etc etc

Not this old routine again.

They are here because women stopped having children and went to work or spent their days in the nail bar instead.
The West is the new Rome. We expect to have an ideal lifestyle without the hindrance of daily chores or too many children and get foreigners to do all the dirty jobs for us. The rich get richer while society and national identity are slowly eroded.

Look how well it went for the Romans and see our future.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 18 4.51pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Precisely, this seems to be a healthy debate but then with 1 person calling others stupid, I'm sure the irony is lost there. Anyway, immaturity aside, most intelligent people are not gullible and narrow minded enough to blame immigration. corporate tax avoidance is one of many other real issues that make the country poorer on top of austerity and cuts to public services and cost of living, inflation etc When we talk about poverty though, I don't think the country is poor, just that the people at the bottom have been screwed over, they paid the price for bailing out the banks. Ordinary People can't afford to live so that the banks get richer. Not one prosecution from the banking scandal from 10 years ago, just 7 figure pay offs You are a massive hypocrite. You come on here and making accusatory remarks about people and then cry like a baby when you get some back. So typical. As for your other assertions. We are sold immigration on the basis that it is good for us. What it actually does is make poor people poorer and create a dependency on foreign labour. You on the left blame the bankers and Tax avoiders because it suits the narrative you want to push. When you can provide details of a better system that will end poverty and will not end up back at exactly the same situation because of the reality of human greed, I will be more interestd in your sermons.
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Dec 18 4.51pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Precisely, this seems to be a healthy debate but then with 1 person calling others stupid, I'm sure the irony is lost there.

Anyway, immaturity aside, most intelligent people are not gullible and narrow minded enough to blame immigration. corporate tax avoidance is one of many other real issues that make the country poorer on top of austerity and cuts to public services and cost of living, inflation etc

When we talk about poverty though, I don't think the country is poor, just that the people at the bottom have been screwed over, they paid the price for bailing out the banks. Ordinary People can't afford to live so that the banks get richer. Not one prosecution from the banking scandal from 10 years ago, just 7 figure pay offs

You are a massive hypocrite.
You come on here and making accusatory remarks about people and then cry like a baby when you get some back.

So typical.

As for your other assertions. We are sold immigration on the basis that it is good for us. What it actually does is make poor people poorer and create a dependency on foreign labour.
You on the left blame the bankers and Tax avoiders because it suits the narrative you want to push. When you can provide details of a better system that will end poverty and will not end up back at exactly the same situation because of the reality of human greed, I will be more interestd in your sermons.

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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 18 5.34pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Including the old people in care homes where all the staff are immigrants? Including the patients in NHS hospitals who are in the care of immigrants? Including all the people who ride to work on a bus driven by an immigrant? Including all the people who eat vegetables picked by immigrants? etc etc Care homes where all the staff are immigrants? I think you're getting carried away. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Dec 18 5.34pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Care homes where all the staff are immigrants? I think you're getting carried away.

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Midlands Eagle 21 Dec 18 5.39pm
Originally posted by ddjdd Taxing the wealthy brings in more tax revenue, undoubtedly. The threats of the wealthy leaving the UK if taxed too highly have never materialised in significant numbers when taxes on them specifically have been raised. How old are you? Almost everyone with more than 10 brain cells left the UK during Harold Wilson's reign due to high taxation which is why the country earned such a reputation for poor management as it did because there was no-one left here. We suffered the biggest brain drain in 50 years in 2007/8 as hundreds of thousands of highly qualified Brits decided to leave the Labour run country and it's only in recent years where the burden of taxation has been lowered has this exodus been stopped
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Originally posted by ddjdd

Taxing the wealthy brings in more tax revenue, undoubtedly. The threats of the wealthy leaving the UK if taxed too highly have never materialised in significant numbers when taxes on them specifically have been raised.

How old are you?

Almost everyone with more than 10 brain cells left the UK during Harold Wilson's reign due to high taxation which is why the country earned such a reputation for poor management as it did because there was no-one left here.

We suffered the biggest brain drain in 50 years in 2007/8 as hundreds of thousands of highly qualified Brits decided to leave the Labour run country and it's only in recent years where the burden of taxation has been lowered has this exodus been stopped

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Pussay Patrol 21 Dec 18 6.58pm
why don't people annoyed about this ? [Link] instead they bash people with nothing cos they smoke Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

21 Dec 18 6.58pm

why don't people annoyed about this ?

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instead they bash people with nothing cos they smoke

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Dec 18 7.10pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol why don't people annoyed about this ? [Link] instead they bash people with nothing cos they smoke I think smoking when you claim to be starving hungry is a joke. Would you pay more tax than the law says you have to?
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Dec 18 7.10pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

why don't people annoyed about this ?

[Link]

instead they bash people with nothing cos they smoke

I think smoking when you claim to be starving hungry is a joke.

Would you pay more tax than the law says you have to?

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Midlands Eagle 21 Dec 18 7.26pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol why don't people annoyed about this ? [Link] That article seems to have a fascination with revenues as if Corporation Tax has anything to do with sales levels. Carillion had revenues in excess of £5b and look what happened to that. The idea of the benefits system was to pay claimants enough to sustain the minimum standard of life not to fund their smoking and drinking. In case you think I'm preaching for people to do as I say not as I do I used to be a heavy smoker and drinker for many decades but when I was made redundant 20 years ago I immediately stopped both
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Midlands Eagle

21 Dec 18 7.26pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

why don't people annoyed about this ?

[Link]

That article seems to have a fascination with revenues as if Corporation Tax has anything to do with sales levels.

Carillion had revenues in excess of £5b and look what happened to that.

The idea of the benefits system was to pay claimants enough to sustain the minimum standard of life not to fund their smoking and drinking.

In case you think I'm preaching for people to do as I say not as I do I used to be a heavy smoker and drinker for many decades but when I was made redundant 20 years ago I immediately stopped both

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Dec 18 7.36pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle How old are you? Almost everyone with more than 10 brain cells left the UK during Harold Wilson's reign due to high taxation which is why the country earned such a reputation for poor management as it did because there was no-one left here. We suffered the biggest brain drain in 50 years in 2007/8 as hundreds of thousands of highly qualified Brits decided to leave the Labour run country and it's only in recent years where the burden of taxation has been lowered has this exodus been stopped There was no 'brain drain' in the 60's, a time of social enlightenment when it was a thrill to be young. The older generation confuse 'brains' with economic movement particularly of the banking sector and associated property obsession; We will hardly be shedding a tear over them, in fact it is a side of brexit we can live with. Have you ever thought that a person more in tune with modern times would be more suitable in your role.
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Croydon 21 Dec 18 7.36pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How old are you?

There was no 'brain drain' in the 60's, a time of social enlightenment when it was a thrill to be young.

The older generation confuse 'brains' with economic movement particularly of the banking sector and associated property obsession;

We will hardly be shedding a tear over them, in fact it is a side of brexit we can live with.

Have you ever thought that a person more in tune with modern times would be more suitable in your role.

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chris123 hove actually 21 Dec 18 7.47pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 There was no 'brain drain' in the 60's, a time of social enlightenment when it was a thrill to be young. The older generation confuse 'brains' with economic movement particularly of the banking sector and associated property obsession; We will hardly be shedding a tear over them, in fact it is a side of brexit we can live with. Have you ever thought that a person more in tune with modern times would be more suitable in your role. I thought the brain drain was originally egghead scientists buzzing off to the States.
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hove actually 21 Dec 18 7.47pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There was no 'brain drain' in the 60's, a time of social enlightenment when it was a thrill to be young.

The older generation confuse 'brains' with economic movement particularly of the banking sector and associated property obsession;

We will hardly be shedding a tear over them, in fact it is a side of brexit we can live with.

Have you ever thought that a person more in tune with modern times would be more suitable in your role.

I thought the brain drain was originally egghead scientists buzzing off to the States.

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Tawny Croydon 21 Dec 18 8.00pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I don't want to get between you guys. A lady friend volunteers at the Passage which is a homeless charity based near Westminster Abbey. I asked her the same question. Her gut fill is that the majority of people she sees appear to be British. They nearly all have mental health issues. Of course she only sees a small section in one location. I asked her about begging and she feels that most of the people she sees don't do that. If that is correct then does that mean there is a difference between the type of people we see on the street begging and the invisible people who go to homeless shelters. I don't know just posing the question based on my conversation with my friend. Yes it can no doubt be something of a vicious circle. Often people are on a downturn of luck that spirals out of control. Add substances and booze into the mix and you have a receipe for long term homelessness. I do think it's important to have a strategy for the young though. If someone is booted out of home at a young age, they're at a crossroads between getting a leg up and the help they need, or a wasted life on the streets. Resources are finite and we have to direct them where they have the most impact. Other than government efforts, this is an area where the church could make a bigger significant difference than it currently does too.
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Croydon 21 Dec 18 8.00pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't want to get between you guys.

A lady friend volunteers at the Passage which is a homeless charity based near Westminster Abbey. I asked her the same question. Her gut fill is that the majority of people she sees appear to be British. They nearly all have mental health issues.

Of course she only sees a small section in one location. I asked her about begging and she feels that most of the people she sees don't do that.

If that is correct then does that mean there is a difference between the type of people we see on the street begging and the invisible people who go to homeless shelters. I don't know just posing the question based on my conversation with my friend.

Yes it can no doubt be something of a vicious circle. Often people are on a downturn of luck that spirals out of control. Add substances and booze into the mix and you have a receipe for long term homelessness.

I do think it's important to have a strategy for the young though. If someone is booted out of home at a young age, they're at a crossroads between getting a leg up and the help they need, or a wasted life on the streets.

Resources are finite and we have to direct them where they have the most impact. Other than government efforts, this is an area where the church could make a bigger significant difference than it currently does too.

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Dec 18 9.57pm
£2.000.000.000 (billion) is fraudulently claimed in benefits annually. I think this would help a lot of poorer people. Maybe there is a logic to universal credit and i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people suffering may well be in this group and have finally been caught. Only guessing mind but the figure is fact in ref to fraud.
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The garden of England 21 Dec 18 9.57pm

£2.000.000.000 (billion) is fraudulently claimed in benefits annually.
I think this would help a lot of poorer people.
Maybe there is a logic to universal credit and i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people suffering may well be in this group and have finally been caught.
Only guessing mind but the figure is fact in ref to fraud.

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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 18 10.11pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 There was no 'brain drain' in the 60's, a time of social enlightenment when it was a thrill to be young. The older generation confuse 'brains' with economic movement particularly of the banking sector and associated property obsession; We will hardly be shedding a tear over them, in fact it is a side of brexit we can live with. Have you ever thought that a person more in tune with modern times would be more suitable in your role. I hope you're sitting on quite a nestegg if you seriously think this country can live without the financial sector and services in this country. It's a significant sector for the UK. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

21 Dec 18 10.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There was no 'brain drain' in the 60's, a time of social enlightenment when it was a thrill to be young.

The older generation confuse 'brains' with economic movement particularly of the banking sector and associated property obsession;

We will hardly be shedding a tear over them, in fact it is a side of brexit we can live with.

Have you ever thought that a person more in tune with modern times would be more suitable in your role.

I hope you're sitting on quite a nestegg if you seriously think this country can live without the financial sector and services in this country.

It's a significant sector for the UK.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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