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Park Road 05 Nov 17 4.43pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Is it because of immigration that we have a terrorism problem (do we actually have a terrorist problem), or is it a case that its only a minority of that immigration that have been the problem - most of which has seems to correlate to UK foreign policy during the 2000s and beyond. If the argument is 'well if we never had any immigration then we'd have no Islamist terrorism' then its really a dead end argument - Having no immigration would be a disaster for the UK, in the same way that having an unchecked EU migration situation is a bad policy. Firstly, nothing wrong with immigration in moderation its absolutely necessary. Yes, immigration as well as homegrown terrorists, from immigrant parents, does contribute to terrorism in our country and do i think that we have a terrorism problem doesn't deserve an answer. Remember we're talking about Islamic terrorist so its much deeper than just plain old immigration its a well known ideology spread around many countries not just UK. Minority problem if its just 1% of the Muslim population is well over the ten million mark so a vast minority. So no not just an argument of immigration. Do you think if we had adopted the same immigration policy as Japan,that we would have this so called "BBC language and maybe yours" Islamic terrorist problem? Oh and Jamie you are obviously very intellectual so don't Mar it with the old is it UK foreign policy apologist rhetoric Religious fairy tails and how people act them out has nothing to do with any countries foreign policy
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05 Nov 17 4.43pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Is it because of immigration that we have a terrorism problem (do we actually have a terrorist problem), or is it a case that its only a minority of that immigration that have been the problem - most of which has seems to correlate to UK foreign policy during the 2000s and beyond.

If the argument is 'well if we never had any immigration then we'd have no Islamist terrorism' then its really a dead end argument - Having no immigration would be a disaster for the UK, in the same way that having an unchecked EU migration situation is a bad policy.

Firstly, nothing wrong with immigration in moderation its absolutely necessary.
Yes, immigration as well as homegrown terrorists, from immigrant parents, does contribute to terrorism in our country and do i think that we have a terrorism problem doesn't deserve an answer.
Remember we're talking about Islamic terrorist so its much deeper than just plain old immigration its a well known ideology spread around many countries not just UK.
Minority problem if its just 1% of the Muslim population is well over the ten million mark so a vast minority.
So no not just an argument of immigration.
Do you think if we had adopted the same immigration policy as Japan,that we would have this so called "BBC language and maybe yours" Islamic terrorist problem?

Oh and Jamie you are obviously very intellectual so don't Mar it with the old is it UK foreign policy apologist rhetoric

Religious fairy tails and how people act them out has nothing to do with any countries foreign policy

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Stirlingsays 05 Nov 17 4.52pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 "A model is strangled to death by her brother after offending religious conservatives." From your link...as heinous as that crime is it is not an IS/AlQaeda/Al Shabab terror attack. My link, and point, was specifically about actual extremist terrorism and the locations of. Another one... "Three civilians are flattened by a Sunni mortar barrage" in Aleppo. Again, that's casualties of a nasty civil war not an out and out extremist Jihadi act. If we follow your link and logic within that it is all terrorism then the US with their drones must be, for you, committing terrorist acts too? My original researched observations still stand. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2017 4.13pm) How can your original contention stand? You said 40 countries, that's been shown up as not accurate. As for you debating whether a death caused by a twisted religious belief is terrorism or not.....personally I think that's word play....especially if you are on the end of it. I didn't reply to you personally because I can see that this has become a, 'yes it is', 'no it isn't' conversation. To be honest there is little point to that. So this is my last comment to you about your inaccurate '40 country' contention. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 5.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Nov 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

"A model is strangled to death by her brother after offending religious conservatives."

From your link...as heinous as that crime is it is not an IS/AlQaeda/Al Shabab terror attack. My link, and point, was specifically about actual extremist terrorism and the locations of.

Another one...

"Three civilians are flattened by a Sunni mortar barrage" in Aleppo. Again, that's casualties of a nasty civil war not an out and out extremist Jihadi act.

If we follow your link and logic within that it is all terrorism then the US with their drones must be, for you, committing terrorist acts too?

My original researched observations still stand.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2017 4.13pm)

How can your original contention stand?

You said 40 countries, that's been shown up as not accurate.

As for you debating whether a death caused by a twisted religious belief is terrorism or not.....personally I think that's word play....especially if you are on the end of it.

I didn't reply to you personally because I can see that this has become a, 'yes it is', 'no it isn't' conversation. To be honest there is little point to that.

So this is my last comment to you about your inaccurate '40 country' contention.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 5.02pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Nov 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Is it because of immigration that we have a terrorism problem (do we actually have a terrorist problem), or is it a case that its only a minority of that immigration that have been the problem - most of which has seems to correlate to UK foreign policy during the 2000s and beyond. If the argument is 'well if we never had any immigration then we'd have no Islamist terrorism' then its really a dead end argument - Having no immigration would be a disaster for the UK, in the same way that having an unchecked EU migration situation is a bad policy. Totally illogical. We needed immigration because of a catalogue of short termism by successive governments. Of course we have a terrorist problem and of course it is a direct result of immigration.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Totally illogical.

We needed immigration because of a catalogue of short termism by successive governments.
Of course we have a terrorist problem and of course it is a direct result of immigration.

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Stirlingsays 05 Nov 17 5.01pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Some of these countries are probably a stretch to say its just an Islam thing - given they're enaged in civil wars or wars against specific Muslim groups (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Egypt) Notably a few of these are also countries, like pakistan where they're actively part of the war on terror - and it would seem fairly reasonable to consider that a two way affair. Similarly Egypt is in the process of suppression of certain Islamic groups - its not really that much of a stretch to imagine they're fighting back. For example, Somalia is largely a Muslim country, enveloped by lawlessness and civil war - its then not surprising to see terrorist attacks, by different factions on each other. You need to be aware of the context. I read a contention from Kermit that Islamic terrorism had only affected 40 countries or something like that. To me that sounded a bit off, so I challenged it, I wasn't given evidence for the claim and told to research it myself. So I did, found out that the claim was spurious, and provided the evidence for that. He then showed the link for his claim and I pointed out the error he had made for his claim but he wasn't interested. It's difficult to say how many countries have experienced attacks due to someone influenced by their Islamic beliefs, but I've shown that it's higher than 40. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Nov 17 5.01pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Some of these countries are probably a stretch to say its just an Islam thing - given they're enaged in civil wars or wars against specific Muslim groups (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Egypt)

Notably a few of these are also countries, like pakistan where they're actively part of the war on terror - and it would seem fairly reasonable to consider that a two way affair. Similarly Egypt is in the process of suppression of certain Islamic groups - its not really that much of a stretch to imagine they're fighting back.

For example, Somalia is largely a Muslim country, enveloped by lawlessness and civil war - its then not surprising to see terrorist attacks, by different factions on each other.

You need to be aware of the context.

I read a contention from Kermit that Islamic terrorism had only affected 40 countries or something like that.

To me that sounded a bit off, so I challenged it, I wasn't given evidence for the claim and told to research it myself.

So I did, found out that the claim was spurious, and provided the evidence for that. He then showed the link for his claim and I pointed out the error he had made for his claim but he wasn't interested.

It's difficult to say how many countries have experienced attacks due to someone influenced by their Islamic beliefs, but I've shown that it's higher than 40.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Nov 17 5.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How can your original contention stand? You said 40 countries, that's been shown up as not accurate. As for you debating whether a death caused by a twisted religious belief is terrorism or not.....personally I think that's word play....especially if you are on the end of it. I didn't reply to you personally because I can see that this has become a, 'yes it is', 'no it isn't' conversation. To be honest there is little point to that. So this is my last comment upon your inaccurate '40 country' contention. You yourself said you "couldn't be bothered" to add up how many countries had been affected by IS/AlQaeda/Al Shabab, etc, attacks so how you have come to that conclusion is mystifying when I have.. made the effort. Your links are not quite what is needed to question/re-adjust the original '40' as they include non-terrorist offences too. So no they are not 'inaccurate'. It's more that your research is incomplete and not directly compatible but you are using it anyway. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Nov 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How can your original contention stand?

You said 40 countries, that's been shown up as not accurate.

As for you debating whether a death caused by a twisted religious belief is terrorism or not.....personally I think that's word play....especially if you are on the end of it.

I didn't reply to you personally because I can see that this has become a, 'yes it is', 'no it isn't' conversation. To be honest there is little point to that.

So this is my last comment upon your inaccurate '40 country' contention.

You yourself said you "couldn't be bothered" to add up how many countries had been affected by IS/AlQaeda/Al Shabab, etc, attacks so how you have come to that conclusion is mystifying when I have.. made the effort.

Your links are not quite what is needed to question/re-adjust the original '40' as they include non-terrorist offences too.

So no they are not 'inaccurate'. It's more that your research is incomplete and not directly compatible but you are using it anyway.

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Stirlingsays 05 Nov 17 5.09pm
Each country follows its own path but the idea that not having high immigration into the UK would have been disastrous is a very subjective interpretation. It completely depends upon your personal set of priorities and politics. I don't call for a immigration policy the same as Japan because that cat was let out of the bag a long time ago. However I totally disagree that Japan....a country richer than us is somehow gripped in some kind of disaster because it hasn't destroyed its own sense of national identity. Japan, as a nation has looked at what its allies have done to themselves and returned a big, 'no thanks'. Cohesion matters. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 5.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Nov 17 5.09pm

Each country follows its own path but the idea that not having high immigration into the UK would have been disastrous is a very subjective interpretation.

It completely depends upon your personal set of priorities and politics.

I don't call for a immigration policy the same as Japan because that cat was let out of the bag a long time ago. However I totally disagree that Japan....a country richer than us is somehow gripped in some kind of disaster because it hasn't destroyed its own sense of national identity.

Japan, as a nation has looked at what its allies have done to themselves and returned a big, 'no thanks'.

Cohesion matters.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 5.10pm)

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Nov 17 5.55pm
Re:Japan General estimates are 100,000 Muslims that live there. And for those that believe Japan is some sort of homogenous paradise: The number of registered foreign residents increased to 2,323,428, up 6.85 percent from a year earlier. While the number of foreign residents climbed in all prefectures compared with a year before, Saga Prefecture saw the fastest increase at 13.21 percent to 5,143 as it accepted more students from overseas and offered more training for technical skills. Hokkaido saw a 12.76 percent increase in foreign residents to 28,189, followed by Kagawa, which had 10,665, up 10.38 percent. Tokyo had the most registered foreign residents with 486,346, up 8.31 percent, followed by Aichi Prefecture with 217,218, up 7.69 percent, and Osaka Prefecture with 215,057, a rise of 3.72 percent. More than half of the total foreign residents, or 53.96 percent, lived in metropolitan areas in the five prefectures of Tokyo, Aichi, Osaka, Kanagawa and Saitama, according to the tally. Japan Times July 2017 Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Nov 17 5.55pm

Re:Japan

General estimates are 100,000 Muslims that live there.

And for those that believe Japan is some sort of homogenous paradise:

The number of registered foreign residents increased to 2,323,428, up 6.85 percent from a year earlier.

While the number of foreign residents climbed in all prefectures compared with a year before, Saga Prefecture saw the fastest increase at 13.21 percent to 5,143 as it accepted more students from overseas and offered more training for technical skills.

Hokkaido saw a 12.76 percent increase in foreign residents to 28,189, followed by Kagawa, which had 10,665, up 10.38 percent.

Tokyo had the most registered foreign residents with 486,346, up 8.31 percent, followed by Aichi Prefecture with 217,218, up 7.69 percent, and Osaka Prefecture with 215,057, a rise of 3.72 percent.

More than half of the total foreign residents, or 53.96 percent, lived in metropolitan areas in the five prefectures of Tokyo, Aichi, Osaka, Kanagawa and Saitama, according to the tally.

Japan Times July 2017

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Stirlingsays 05 Nov 17 6.27pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Re:Japan General estimates are 100,000 Muslims that live there. And for those that believe Japan is some sort of homogenous paradise: The number of registered foreign residents increased to 2,323,428, up 6.85 percent from a year earlier. While the number of foreign residents climbed in all prefectures compared with a year before, Saga Prefecture saw the fastest increase at 13.21 percent to 5,143 as it accepted more students from overseas and offered more training for technical skills. Hokkaido saw a 12.76 percent increase in foreign residents to 28,189, followed by Kagawa, which had 10,665, up 10.38 percent. Tokyo had the most registered foreign residents with 486,346, up 8.31 percent, followed by Aichi Prefecture with 217,218, up 7.69 percent, and Osaka Prefecture with 215,057, a rise of 3.72 percent. More than half of the total foreign residents, or 53.96 percent, lived in metropolitan areas in the five prefectures of Tokyo, Aichi, Osaka, Kanagawa and Saitama, according to the tally. Japan Times July 2017 The population of Japan stands at around 127 million. A foreigner is around one in fifty. Lots of foreigners are students or temporary stay workers. Japan is pretty jealous of nationalization....the stuff that keeps itself intrinsically Japanese. Japan is richer than us and pretty homogeneous and when asked is pretty happy about it. Its very low Islamic population is entirely due to its rejection of high immigration and nationalization. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 6.37pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Nov 17 6.27pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Re:Japan

General estimates are 100,000 Muslims that live there.

And for those that believe Japan is some sort of homogenous paradise:

The number of registered foreign residents increased to 2,323,428, up 6.85 percent from a year earlier.

More than half of the total foreign residents, or 53.96 percent, lived in metropolitan areas in the five prefectures of Tokyo, Aichi, Osaka, Kanagawa and Saitama, according to the tally.

Japan Times July 2017

The population of Japan stands at around 127 million.

A foreigner is around one in fifty. Lots of foreigners are students or temporary stay workers. Japan is pretty jealous of nationalization....the stuff that keeps itself intrinsically Japanese.

Japan is richer than us and pretty homogeneous and when asked is pretty happy about it.

Its very low Islamic population is entirely due to its rejection of high immigration and nationalization.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 6.37pm)

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Nov 17 6.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The population of Japan stands at around 127 million. A foreigner is around one in fifty. Lots of foreigners are students or temporary stay workers. Japan is pretty jealous of nationalization....the stuff that keeps itself intrinsically Japanese. Japan is richer than us and pretty homogeneous and when asked is pretty happy about it. It's very low Islamic population is entirely due to its rejection of high immigration and nationalization. A bit like Dorset "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 05 Nov 17 6.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The population of Japan stands at around 127 million.

A foreigner is around one in fifty. Lots of foreigners are students or temporary stay workers. Japan is pretty jealous of nationalization....the stuff that keeps itself intrinsically Japanese.

Japan is richer than us and pretty homogeneous and when asked is pretty happy about it.

It's very low Islamic population is entirely due to its rejection of high immigration and nationalization.

A bit like Dorset

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Park Road 05 Nov 17 6.41pm
Pedantic would be an understatement for a few on here. Please no statistics on understatements
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05 Nov 17 6.41pm

Pedantic would be an understatement for a few on here.

Please no statistics on understatements

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Nov 17 7.43pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle A bit like Dorset ..or more accurately Devon..... Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Nov 17 7.43pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

A bit like Dorset

..or more accurately Devon.....

Pro USA & Israel

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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Nov 17 8.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The population of Japan stands at around 127 million. A foreigner is around one in fifty. Lots of foreigners are students or temporary stay workers. Japan is pretty jealous of nationalization....the stuff that keeps itself intrinsically Japanese. Japan is richer than us and pretty homogeneous and when asked is pretty happy about it. Its very low Islamic population is entirely due to its rejection of high immigration and nationalization. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 6.37pm) Apparently a significant number of Japs either don't like, or want, sex. With a population of 127 million on four small islands it's perhaps better to have your 3 feet of space to yourself.....
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Croydon 05 Nov 17 8.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The population of Japan stands at around 127 million.

A foreigner is around one in fifty. Lots of foreigners are students or temporary stay workers. Japan is pretty jealous of nationalization....the stuff that keeps itself intrinsically Japanese.

Japan is richer than us and pretty homogeneous and when asked is pretty happy about it.

Its very low Islamic population is entirely due to its rejection of high immigration and nationalization.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2017 6.37pm)

Apparently a significant number of Japs either don't like, or want, sex.

With a population of 127 million on four small islands it's perhaps better to have your 3 feet of space to yourself.....

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