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Michaelawt85 Bexley 04 Oct 17 3.56pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Spot on. Look up Charlton Heston's NRA speech where he - to thunderous applause - states that the only way the government will get his gun will be "from his cold dead hands". It really is like a brainwashed cult When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 04 Oct 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Spot on. Look up Charlton Heston's NRA speech where he - to thunderous applause - states that the only way the government will get his gun will be "from his cold dead hands".

It really is like a brainwashed cult

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Oct 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 It really is like a brainwashed cult Brainwashed cults have a reasonable excuse - they're brain washed, isolated and effectively alienated from society. The NRA is entirely a bought and paid for group, that's only concern is ensuring gun profits for their corporate sponsors remain at a maximum. These people didn't die because of a lack of gun regulation, they died for the profit of the US firearms industry. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 04 Oct 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

It really is like a brainwashed cult

Brainwashed cults have a reasonable excuse - they're brain washed, isolated and effectively alienated from society.

The NRA is entirely a bought and paid for group, that's only concern is ensuring gun profits for their corporate sponsors remain at a maximum.

These people didn't die because of a lack of gun regulation, they died for the profit of the US firearms industry.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Michaelawt85 Bexley 04 Oct 17 4.21pm
Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 04 Oct 17 4.21pm

Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Oct 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Brainwashed cults have a reasonable excuse - they're brain washed, isolated and effectively alienated from society. The NRA is entirely a bought and paid for group, that's only concern is ensuring gun profits for their corporate sponsors remain at a maximum. These people didn't die because of a lack of gun regulation, they died for the profit of the US firearms industry. Exactly correct. The NRA used to be a club for hunters and gun enthusiasts but, under the leadership of Wayne LaPierre, it has morphed itself into a lobbyist and political activist for the interests of the gun industry. It's promoted all the rollbacks and relaxations in gun control legislation countrywide, has supported pro-gun political candidates (e.g. putting 30 million behind Trump's campaign) and has threatened candidates who mutter a word against guns with support for a more "reliable" opponent. The thing is, with no real opposition, the NRA has to keep pushing the envelope and ginning up fear/resentment/outrage in order to frighten people into agreeing with them. For example, when Obama won in 2008, gun sales spiked because the NRA has told anyone who will listen that Obama will go door-to-door to take their guns. The same thing happens after mass shootings, as it did after Las Vegas. But with Trump in the White House and Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress, gun sales slumped because gun ownership was no longer under threat. So the NRA put out this ad: [Link] This is breathtakingly irresponsible; stoking the fears and tweaking the adrenal glands of gun owners, telling them that liberals are a real and deadly enemy is truly disturbing and outrageously dangerous. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Brainwashed cults have a reasonable excuse - they're brain washed, isolated and effectively alienated from society.

The NRA is entirely a bought and paid for group, that's only concern is ensuring gun profits for their corporate sponsors remain at a maximum.

These people didn't die because of a lack of gun regulation, they died for the profit of the US firearms industry.

Exactly correct. The NRA used to be a club for hunters and gun enthusiasts but, under the leadership of Wayne LaPierre, it has morphed itself into a lobbyist and political activist for the interests of the gun industry. It's promoted all the rollbacks and relaxations in gun control legislation countrywide, has supported pro-gun political candidates (e.g. putting 30 million behind Trump's campaign) and has threatened candidates who mutter a word against guns with support for a more "reliable" opponent.

The thing is, with no real opposition, the NRA has to keep pushing the envelope and ginning up fear/resentment/outrage in order to frighten people into agreeing with them.

For example, when Obama won in 2008, gun sales spiked because the NRA has told anyone who will listen that Obama will go door-to-door to take their guns. The same thing happens after mass shootings, as it did after Las Vegas. But with Trump in the White House and Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress, gun sales slumped because gun ownership was no longer under threat. So the NRA put out this ad: [Link]

This is breathtakingly irresponsible; stoking the fears and tweaking the adrenal glands of gun owners, telling them that liberals are a real and deadly enemy is truly disturbing and outrageously dangerous.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stuk Top half 04 Oct 17 4.42pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose Basically it was in case we (the British) came back. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 04 Oct 17 4.42pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose

Basically it was in case we (the British) came back.

Optimistic as ever

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 04 Oct 17 4.58pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Exactly correct. The NRA used to be a club for hunters and gun enthusiasts but, under the leadership of Wayne LaPierre, it has morphed itself into a lobbyist and political activist for the interests of the gun industry. It's promoted all the rollbacks and relaxations in gun control legislation countrywide, has supported pro-gun political candidates (e.g. putting 30 million behind Trump's campaign) and has threatened candidates who mutter a word against guns with support for a more "reliable" opponent. The thing is, with no real opposition, the NRA has to keep pushing the envelope and ginning up fear/resentment/outrage in order to frighten people into agreeing with them. For example, when Obama won in 2008, gun sales spiked because the NRA has told anyone who will listen that Obama will go door-to-door to take their guns. The same thing happens after mass shootings, as it did after Las Vegas. But with Trump in the White House and Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress, gun sales slumped because gun ownership was no longer under threat. So the NRA put out this ad: [Link] This is breathtakingly irresponsible; stoking the fears and tweaking the adrenal glands of gun owners, telling them that liberals are a real and deadly enemy is truly disturbing and outrageously dangerous. Shows how thick half of them are to fall for it all doesn't it When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 04 Oct 17 4.58pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The thing is, with no real opposition, the NRA has to keep pushing the envelope and ginning up fear/resentment/outrage in order to frighten people into agreeing with them.

Shows how thick half of them are to fall for it all doesn't it

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Oct 17 5.00pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose The U.S had no standing army at its formation - a deliberate policy to avoid what happened frequently in other young democracies, being the standing army overthrowing the elected government and seizing power. So it needed the state militia's to be in a position to fight on behalf of the republic as necessary, hence the language of the 2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Regardless, the U.S. stood up an army in 1795, at which point the 2nd Amendment became moot. It stayed on the books though, and unregulated gun ownership stayed with it, even though the need for "well regulated militias" had gone away for good. Fast forward to 1975, and the District of Columbia enacted a law that banned the owning of handguns, automatic firearms and high-capacity semi-automatic firearms, as well as prohibited possession of unregistered firearms. This was challenged in the courts and the case meandered its way to the Supreme Court in 2008 as D.C. vs. Heller where, in a 5-4 verdict split along partisan lines, the Supremes held for the first time that the 2nd Amendment bestows the right of uninfringed gun ownership on individuals, not just those being part of a well-regulated militia. D.C's ban was struck down and the floodgates of pro-gun open carry and "stand your ground" laws were opened. And here we now are. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 04 Oct 17 5.00pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose

The U.S had no standing army at its formation - a deliberate policy to avoid what happened frequently in other young democracies, being the standing army overthrowing the elected government and seizing power. So it needed the state militia's to be in a position to fight on behalf of the republic as necessary, hence the language of the 2nd Amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Regardless, the U.S. stood up an army in 1795, at which point the 2nd Amendment became moot. It stayed on the books though, and unregulated gun ownership stayed with it, even though the need for "well regulated militias" had gone away for good.

Fast forward to 1975, and the District of Columbia enacted a law that banned the owning of handguns, automatic firearms and high-capacity semi-automatic firearms, as well as prohibited possession of unregistered firearms. This was challenged in the courts and the case meandered its way to the Supreme Court in 2008 as D.C. vs. Heller where, in a 5-4 verdict split along partisan lines, the Supremes held for the first time that the 2nd Amendment bestows the right of uninfringed gun ownership on individuals, not just those being part of a well-regulated militia.

D.C's ban was struck down and the floodgates of pro-gun open carry and "stand your ground" laws were opened. And here we now are.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Oct 17 5.01pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose After independence America could not afford to keep a standing army but as another poster said they were scared of the British plus native American uprisings. The key word in the 2nd amendment is militia which implies some form of military structure like our WW2 home guard or the National Guard. Over the centuries the supreme court has stretch that meaning to any US citizen rather than a volunteer or reservist under military command. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 04 Oct 17 5.01pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Can anyone explain simply in layman's terms why they have the second amendment and the right to bear arms in the first place. What was it's original purpose

After independence America could not afford to keep a standing army but as another poster said they were scared of the British plus native American uprisings. The key word in the 2nd amendment is militia which implies some form of military structure like our WW2 home guard or the National Guard. Over the centuries the supreme court has stretch that meaning to any US citizen rather than a volunteer or reservist under military command.

One more point

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Oct 17 5.03pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Shows how thick half of them are to fall for it all doesn't it I think you can trace 99.9% of problems in any society back to education, or lack thereof. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 04 Oct 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Shows how thick half of them are to fall for it all doesn't it

I think you can trace 99.9% of problems in any society back to education, or lack thereof.

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Oct 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Stuk Basically it was in case we (the British) came back. Yep, and they couldn't afford, or trust an army of their own in those days. Of course back then, a musket was pretty much the state of the art, which is a world away from the small arms death machines a gun is now. Spree shooting isn't really feasible with a firearm of the era. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 04 Oct 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Basically it was in case we (the British) came back.

Yep, and they couldn't afford, or trust an army of their own in those days. Of course back then, a musket was pretty much the state of the art, which is a world away from the small arms death machines a gun is now.

Spree shooting isn't really feasible with a firearm of the era.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Oct 17 5.09pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yep, and they couldn't afford, or trust an army of their own in those days. Of course back then, a musket was pretty much the state of the art, which is a world away from the small arms death machines a gun is now. Spree shooting isn't really feasible with a firearm of the era. The 2nd Amendment was adopted in 1789. Imagine writing gun laws, now, that applied in the year 2245! The real error here was not repealing the 2nd Amendment after the army was stood up in 1795. Bad laws are like an untreated cut: they won't kill you right away, but they'll get you in the end. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 04 Oct 17 5.09pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Spree shooting isn't really feasible with a firearm of the era.

The 2nd Amendment was adopted in 1789. Imagine writing gun laws, now, that applied in the year 2245!

The real error here was not repealing the 2nd Amendment after the army was stood up in 1795. Bad laws are like an untreated cut: they won't kill you right away, but they'll get you in the end.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 04 Oct 17 5.09pm
The right to bear arms was often demanded by some of the Chartists in Britain during the 1840s. They looked to America as an example of the sort of society they wanted. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 04 Oct 17 5.09pm

The right to bear arms was often demanded by some of the Chartists in Britain during the 1840s. They looked to America as an example of the sort of society they wanted.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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