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Part Time James 03 Jul 17 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Basically nothing is true, everything is permitted. Its really all about people arguing about what is acceptable to do and believe and more importantly, what is acceptable for others to believe and do. Oh no, I got it really, I was just being silly by this point. Not that silliness has any place in a discussion about religion.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jul 17 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Also, good for you if you can believe God sprang into existence of its own accord but can't believe anything else did Edited by Part Time James (03 Jul 2017 11.09am) Nothing sprang into existence with the big bang, it simply added a new dimensional point (possibly - as adding, springing and existence assumes an action in time and space). There is no nothing. Even the voids of space have a physical reality.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 17 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Ok, language defines our ability to understand reality. But our language is also defined entirely by our reality. We don't even have a language other than maths that can reasonably explain higher and lower dimensions, quantum mechanics. In fact our languages posit everything in relation to space (locations) and time (past, future, present). Take those out of the equation and explaining existence without the concepts of time and space, gets rather difficult to comprehend. However, we do have evidence, that everything that makes up our existence, including us, existed prior to 'big bang' and exists across all dimesions - it simply changes form. So "prior" to big bang (which may only may be occuring in terms of a position within the fourth dimension), everything that makes up all of our universe, existed in a different state, that is one in which time and space are not relevant concepts. The process of big bang is a transition in which subatomic particles react in space-time, from the point at which space time (4D) starts (the end point say the third dimension) and the point at which the 5D starts. And it only appears as occurring to us, because we are a part of that transition from point to superpositional point (which from a 5D point has already occurred). We are part of space and time in a very fundamental way, not separate from it (but the physical components that construct us are made from subatomic particles that always will exist. Kind of illustrates why religion began. It took the very brightest minds centuries to observe and calculate and arrive at a theory of everything which is still in large part patchy at best.
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Part Time James 03 Jul 17 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nothing sprang into existence with the big bang, it simply added a new dimensional point (possibly - as adding, springing and existence assumes an action in time and space). There is no nothing. Even the voids of space have a physical reality. Doesn't matter though does it really?
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 17 12.26pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nothing sprang into existence with the big bang, it simply added a new dimensional point (possibly - as adding, springing and existence assumes an action in time and space). There is no nothing. Even the voids of space have a physical reality. The hardest concept to grasp is matter outside of time and what that says about it's existence. Without time you cannot have 'forever' or 'before' as it has no meaning. This makes life very difficult when asking the question about pre big bang. There is a complete breakdown of intuitive reason or science.
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Part Time James 03 Jul 17 12.28pm | |
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If Jamie had all the answers then perhaps he'd be God and I'd convert to Jamieism. Still, interesting debate this even if I do proclaim not to care either way.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 03 Jul 17 12.39pm | |
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We are a bit like ants in the garden wondering how the paving stone that we nest under came to be.
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Part Time James 03 Jul 17 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
We are a bit like ants in the garden wondering how the paving stone that we nest under came to be. Is that what ants think about these days?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jul 17 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Doesn't matter though does it really? Its all matter (or rather energy)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jul 17 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Is that what ants think about these days? They probably think about just how difficult its going to be to get laid on a Friday night.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jul 17 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
We are a bit like ants in the garden wondering how the paving stone that we nest under came to be. In which case its probably better that there is no creator who laid down the great stone slab that provides... given how human and ant interactions tend to work out.
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Part Time James 03 Jul 17 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its all matter (or rather energy) I nearly made a matter joke but decided it wouldn't really fill the void.
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