So should we make them more safe, for example have one guard per carriage?

Or are we at the "right level" of safety and if so who says so?

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (06 Dec 2016 4.21pm)

Really? People doing the job may have a level of input but to be of the required standard to make such a decision?

7mins stated Anyone with a degree of intelligence can see guards/drivers are right. You can't argue that making the railway less safe is a good thing.

This brings me back to my question, who decides what is an acceptable level of safety and are we currently at it?

Probably not, but 1:1 staff/guards might be reflected in the already expensive fares. It's already cheaper to fly (if you have that option)......

It would be pretty safe though. Even if the trains are too full of staff to get all the passengers on it.

Hoof, you have ignored the points made about guards being able to lay SCB, place dets and operate TCOC's. Who does this when they're replaced? Are you suggesting that these safety procedures are now not needed?
You admitted you didn't know what a guard was trained to do, yet confidently said they're not needed... surely you can see a daft old fool would say such a thing ?

You're right, guards aren't gonna lose jobs or money... which begs the question, why are they striking and why did they turn down £2k to accept changes to safety procedures? Why are drivers striking over the same thing? They also turned down a bonus to accept changes to safety procedures.

It's quite clear that this strike is about safety, and it was a PR own goal by southern to try and buy off their staff.

I am not gonna comment on the ferry industry, as I've never worked in that area. I think only a moron would comment on a industry they have insufficient knowledge of.

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Let's not forget... you said guards are obsolete then admitted you didn't know what they're trained to do!

You're a old proud man, you probably are the man of the house, dinner on the table when you get home, kids are seen and not heard... this has meant you're not used to having your views challenged. If ya chat s***, expect to be called out on it. Every days a school day Hoof... we never stop learning.

Knowledge is power, after your first post I realised you were out of your depth.

Back on topic:

Been told court case is key... Southern have a plan if the case doesn't go their way.

My 2 cents is... they will let drivers strike once... if it's a good turn out they'll negotiate. If enough cross the line, they will try to break the strike.