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Stirlingsays 21 Oct 16 7.50am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The public are being lied to by people with political agendas. The kindest thing we could as a country would be to launch a ground offensive against ISIS in Syria. We didn't create the problem there but we should sort it out, for the good of the people and our own security. No one wants war but there appear to be few other choices as ISIS, despite Jezza's suggestion, don't want to talk. There was an opportunity early on....Far earlier bombing of Assad and his forces..no fly zones and this was a stage where there was a far larger moderate division of forces to work with. Arming them and training them early would have been more effective. The west did nothing for them and they were killed or melted away into a much smaller group leaving mostly just the extremists. As usual the leftists screwed it up. As for the form of intervention Syria is a foreign culture. I wouldn't myself place direct combat troops on the ground. They say they want you but in reality they quickly become resentful and turn against the 'outsider'.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Oct 16 7.54am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Have you noticed what is happening in Mosul? I was referr to the Jezza comment.
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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 21 Oct 16 8.42am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
However, last word, (before everyone starts laying into Lily again)reuniting families torn apart by war isn't really that bad a thing. There's much worse going on in the country to be worried about... Hope it is your last word on this as you are making yourself look a bit stupid.
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JohnyBoy 21 Oct 16 8.48am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I was referr to the Jezza comment.
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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Oct 16 8.58am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There was an opportunity early on....Far earlier bombing of Assad and his forces..no fly zones and this was a stage where there was a far larger moderate division of forces to work with. Arming them and training them early would have been more effective. The west did nothing for them and they were killed or melted away into a much smaller group leaving mostly just the extremists. As usual the leftists screwed it up. As for the form of intervention Syria is a foreign culture. I wouldn't myself place direct combat troops on the ground. They say they want you but in reality they quickly become resentful and turn against the 'outsider'. You'll be telling us the mess made in Iraq was the fault of the Socialist Workers Party next. Which particular Leftists - and by that term we have to be talking about not socially conscious liberals but proper Wedgie Benn types, right? - are the ones that let the Syrian people down in 2011/12? I do agree though that something militarily swift and concrete needed to be done back then to oust Assad.
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Part Time James 21 Oct 16 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
Who cares what the "far right" are saying any more than the "far left"? I don't think anyone in this thread so far is far right or far left though.
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Stirlingsays 21 Oct 16 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You'll be telling us the mess made in Iraq was the fault of the Socialist Workers Party next. Which particular Leftists - and by that term we have to be talking about not socially conscious liberals but proper Wedgie Benn types, right? - are the ones that let the Syrian people down in 2011/12? I do agree though that something militarily swift and concrete needed to be done back then to oust Assad. Well when I refer to leftists I'm referring to those who voted against action. So I'm combining a fairly diverse group of people here....So perhaps the word 'leftists' isn't quite accurate. But those on the left made up the majority of those against action. They think they were being ethical....In fact they have elongated a war and hence allowed innocent death numbers to be far worse. The war is far from over.
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Stirlingsays 21 Oct 16 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
We are not a Christian country. Do you go to Church? If you did you would know that quite clearly.
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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Oct 16 9.24am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well when I refer to leftists I'm referring to those who voted against action. So I'm combining a fairly diverse group of people here....So perhaps the word 'leftists' isn't quite accurate. But those on the left made up the majority of those against action. They think they were being ethical....In fact they have elongated a war and hence allowed innocent death numbers to be far worse. The war is far from over.
30 of Camerons own MPS voted against for military action and scuppered the motion. They will be right-wing types. And that was in 2013 when things had got very messy. Help was needed straightaway in 2011 and 2012 in reality if the revolution was to succeed.
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JohnyBoy 21 Oct 16 9.34am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We are not a Christian country. Do you go to Church? If you did you would know that quite clearly. I do go to church actually, sometimes twice a week, ...and I think you will find that the leaders of this country would consider this a christian country although I know the secularists, humanists, atheists are growing in their calls to abolish the Christmas and Easter holidays and associated traditions e.g nativity plays etc
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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Oct 16 9.43am | |
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In the 2011 census 59% of residents of England and Wales described themselves as Christian. In Scotland, the figure was 54%, down from 65%. In Northern Ireland 83% said they belonged to a Christian denomination.
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matt_himself Matataland 21 Oct 16 9.49am | |
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Jezza says: Edited by matt_himself (21 Oct 2016 9.56am)
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