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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 07 May 15 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.


What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

I saw that documentary "Last Brits Standing" where they showed old Brits going to the Spanish doctor and getting free healthcare while embarassingly not speaking a word of Spanish.

What they didn't mention is that Britain contributes £250m a year to the Spanish health budget to help them cover it.

How much do you think the Slovakian and Polish governments are contributing to the NHS?

 


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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, take benefits and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm)

How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system?

Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them?

It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic.


By that economic logic then people from Middlesborough, Hull and Burnley should not be allowed to move to over-populated London.

The difference between the north and south is tiny compared to between Britain and the former communist bloc. The minimum wage in Romania is 200€ a month. It's more than five times that in Middlesbrough.

 


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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.


What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

I saw that documentary "Last Brits Standing" where they showed old Brits going to the Spanish doctor and getting free healthcare while embarassingly not speaking a word of Spanish.

What they didn't mention is that Britain contributes £250m a year to the Spanish health budget to help them cover it.

How much do you think the Slovakian and Polish governments are contributing to the NHS?

I didn't see that documentary so you perhaps have more knowledge.


But, £250mill included, and at the moment I want to concentrate on The Spanish and Brits, 75,000 Espanolas live in the UK and 750,000 resident British live in Spain (many of whom will be elderly) who has the biggest burden? Recession hit, very hard high unemployment cash-stricken Spain or us?

250,000,000 divided by 750,000 = not a huge amount actually for a year's healthcare.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.07pm)

 


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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, take benefits and/or work within.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm)

How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system?

Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them?

It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic.


By that economic logic then people from Middlesborough, Hull and Burnley should not be allowed to move to over-populated London.

The difference between the north and south is tiny compared to between Britain and the former communist bloc. The minimum wage in Romania is 200€ a month. It's more than five times that in Middlesbrough.


And London average wage is two and a half times that of Middlesborough. Definitely not "around the same economic level"

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.53pm)

 


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Right enough of this shyte.

Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ?
Simple yes no will do. No other smoke and mirrors, bulsh1t, or belittling are required.

As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them.

Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir.

Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls).

The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated.

The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back).

What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?


The same as other EU countries hosting the millions of British who live, some of whom take benefits, and/or work within.


Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.32pm)


1.8-2m

1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here?

It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.


What about the Brits in serious recession hit Spain using their health services and other state facilities? How many Spanish are here doing the same.

Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm)

I saw that documentary "Last Brits Standing" where they showed old Brits going to the Spanish doctor and getting free healthcare while embarassingly not speaking a word of Spanish.

What they didn't mention is that Britain contributes £250m a year to the Spanish health budget to help them cover it.

How much do you think the Slovakian and Polish governments are contributing to the NHS?

I didn't see that documentary so you perhaps have more knowledge.


But, £250mill included, and at the moment I want to concentrate on The Spanish and Brits, 75,000 Espanolas live in the UK and 750,000 resident British live in Spain (many of whom will be elderly) who has the biggest burden? Recession hit, very hard high unemployment cash-stricken Spain or us?

250,000,000 divided by 750,000 = not a huge amount actually for a year's healthcare.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.07pm)

Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?

 

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"Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?"


Grow up. Please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.30pm)

 


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"Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?"


Grow up. Please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.30pm)

I would be embarrassed if I compared a couple of Geordies comming to London to 300,000 a year EU immigrants to the UK.

 

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"Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?"


Grow up. Please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.30pm)

I would be embarrassed if I compared a couple of Geordies comming to London to 300,000 a year EU immigrants to the UK.


And I would be doubly embarrassed if I said that people from Middlesborough are Geordies and only found out later after posting that they aren't..

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.58pm)

 


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"Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?"


Grow up. Please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.30pm)

I would be embarrassed if I compared a couple of Geordies comming to London to 300,000 a year EU immigrants to the UK.


And I would be doubly embarrassed if I said that people from Middlesborough are Geordies and only found out later after posting that they aren't..

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.58pm)

As far as I'm concerned, anyone north of York is a Geordie.

 

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"Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?"


Grow up. Please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.30pm)

I would be embarrassed if I compared a couple of Geordies comming to London to 300,000 a year EU immigrants to the UK.


And I would be doubly embarrassed if I said that people from Middlesborough are Geordies and only found out later after posting that they aren't..

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.58pm)

As far as I'm concerned, anyone north of York is a Geordie.

Now, now, derbs, my dad was from Middlesbrough. I never got on all that well with the old fella, but to call him a Geordie is a bit low mate.

 


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"Presumably you would want any of them that have had extra-marital affairs denied any treatment?"


Grow up. Please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.30pm)

I would be embarrassed if I compared a couple of Geordies comming to London to 300,000 a year EU immigrants to the UK.


And I would be doubly embarrassed if I said that people from Middlesborough are Geordies and only found out later after posting that they aren't..

Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.58pm)

As far as I'm concerned, anyone north of York is a Geordie.


Your England must get more little as each year passes. Just be you, the tin helmet and the bunker before you know it Corporal Jones.

 


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derben Flag 07 May 15 7.19pm

I didn't realise 'up-north for so sectarian - I assumed it was a Socialist paradise where everyone identified with each other and dropped all these non-progressive labels.

 

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