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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 15 7.57am | |
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It's a little known fact that the general in general talk is short for generalisation
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Stirlingsays 25 Apr 15 9.05am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 25 Apr 2015 12.54am
I think his post in question that his link related to was: "Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided". What is interesting in his statistics is that it seems from his link he may actually (I hope not) be talking about race not culture when he refers to "people like themselves" since the statistics he uses in support of his point are largely based on race.The categories in them,forming it seems research carried out for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, are "white british","white non British","Black/Black british" and "Asian/Asian British". Nothing whatsoever to do with cultures unless someone is one of those ignoramuses who,for example, think all "Blacks" or "Asians" or "non british whites" are of the same culture,and that "people like themselves" could only ever be,for example, "white British". So,"non British whites" all prefer to live together, whether from Poland,New Zealand, Iceland, Portugal or Argentina,and apart from all of the other three categories then do they? That's the logic...that is if anyone wants to suggest the map in question is something to be relied on in the context of his post...as showing what you say is "obvious". Is he suggesting people of differing races in the UK all generally prefer to live apart? Would you suggest that? One place with an ideology which took the view that "races" preferred to live apart was Apartheid in South Africa.So,maybe any adherents of that general viewpoint here might have more in common with the philosophical roots of Apartheid than they might think. I think he earlier posted that Britain was also becoming divided on religious lines geographically.There may be something in that.The 2011 census did indicate higher proportions of people declaring themselves to be of the "Jedi Knight" religion in places like Portsmouth,Norwich and Brighton,than elsewhere.
I'd say that the majority of people of different cultures would prefer to live apart in an ideal situation. Not all, but the majority. Statistically that question would rarely be in a questionnaire and maybe that's a good thing but indirect statistics like regional population groupings do support it pretty clearly.....Of course if you are of a different ideological persuasion you see it differently.....Where the truth resides is for the 'truth' to know. People can point at 'white flight' statistics from London, large Asian populations attracted to same regions and say it's a racial thing.....I think that's a simplification. I seriously don't think that most people in this age care that deeply what skin pigment you have.....But they do care about the language and the culture...The things you share in common....I think we saw a situation where those with the means up sticked....Like my old man did.....But he had to save up a lot before he could move.....You need the financial muscle. Also not everyone moves for the same priority of reasons of course...Not everyone moves for the same reasons...However, you have to be a bit of a refusenik to deny the basic premise. ....Maybe, in reality, we are having some personality wars rather than anything else.
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TheJudge 25 Apr 15 9.31am | |
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Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm
That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.
If you must use that sort of daft reasoning, can you prove they don't ?
I strongly suspect you don't have any proof and are just wildly generalising about people whose views you know nothing about. Go ahead and prove me wrong, if you're able. What a pointless post. Of course I'm generalising. Most posts on any thread are generalisations.
Or would that only apply where statistics are used in support of a point of view you agree with? Edited by legaleagle (24 Apr 2015 10.41pm) So you think that statistics showing the benefits of immigration might not be so reliable after all ?
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TheJudge 25 Apr 15 9.54am | |
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You either accept the statistics for a reason or you don't for a reason. What someone else does is not the point. He was moaned at to provide proof, he provides it and then you moan at him......He said he didn't feel there was a need for proof on such an obvious thing in the first place. But yet you have a moan and play the man instead of the ball. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2015 10.54pm)
"Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided". What is interesting in his statistics is that it seems from his link he may actually (I hope not) be talking about race not culture when he refers to "people like themselves" since the statistics he uses in support of his point are largely based on race.The categories in them,forming it seems research carried out for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, are "white british","white non British","Black/Black british" and "Asian/Asian British". Nothing whatsoever to do with cultures unless someone is one of those ignoramuses who,for example, think all "Blacks" or "Asians" or "non british whites" are of the same culture,and that "people like themselves" could only ever be,for example, "white British". So,"non British whites" all prefer to live together, whether from Poland,New Zealand, Iceland, Portugal or Argentina,and apart from all of the other three categories then do they? That's the logic...that is if anyone wants to suggest the map in question is something to be relied on in the context of his post...as showing what you say is "obvious". Is he suggesting people of differing races in the UK all generally prefer to live apart? Would you suggest that? One place with an ideology which took the view that "races" preferred to live apart was Apartheid in South Africa.So,maybe any adherents of that general viewpoint here might have more in common with the philosophical roots of Apartheid than they might think. I think he earlier posted that Britain was also becoming divided on religious lines geographically.There may be something in that.The 2011 census did indicate higher proportions of people declaring themselves to be of the "Jedi Knight" religion in places like Portsmouth,Norwich and Brighton,than elsewhere. ------------------------------------------------------- An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences.
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legaleagle 25 Apr 15 10.46am | |
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legaleagle 25 Apr 15 10.55am | |
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An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences. ....................................................
Of course all our views are subjective and influenced by our ideological views,including your's.Indeed,very much including your's. You suggest that because I don't agree people generally within in the UK today (which was the point of your posts) prefer to live apart on the basis of ethnicity,I am therefore a uncontrolled ideological fantasist.That's just plain silly... As for your subjective view being backed up as you state by "statistical evidence",well on the basis of the only link you have posted so far... Btw,the philosophical underpinning of Apartheid's ideologues was that the races supposedly preferred to live apart and "develop separately"....that was utilised by the group in question upon gaining power in 1948 to try and force increased such separation...The Afrikaans word "apartheid" literally translates into English as "separateness".
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TheJudge 26 Apr 15 1.14am | |
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TheJudge 26 Apr 15 1.19am | |
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An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences. ....................................................
Of course all our views are subjective and influenced by our ideological views,including your's.Indeed,very much including your's. You suggest that because I don't agree people generally within in the UK today (which was the point of your posts) prefer to live apart on the basis of ethnicity,I am therefore a uncontrolled ideological fantasist.That's just plain silly... As for your subjective view being backed up as you state by "statistical evidence",well on the basis of the only link you have posted so far... Btw,the philosophical underpinning of Apartheid's ideologues was that the races supposedly preferred to live apart and "develop separately"....that was utilised by the group in question upon gaining power in 1948 to try and force increased such separation...The Afrikaans word "apartheid" literally translates into English as "separateness".
Edited by legaleagle (25 Apr 2015 11.18am) And how is it going for them down in sunny South Africa since Apartheid was removed ? Have they all started living together in wonderful harmony ?
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Apr 15 8.43am | |
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^^^^^^ 'Yes' say plenty of happily married couples in mixed relationships and 'thanks for asking'. 'Cry Freedom ' it was called. Not 'Cry Wonderful Harmony'
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TheJudge 26 Apr 15 11.25am | |
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^^^^^^ 'Yes' say plenty of happily married couples in mixed relationships and 'thanks for asking'. 'Cry Freedom ' it was called. Not 'Cry Wonderful Harmony' Everyone is entitled to freedom but harmony is never going to happen....and that is my point.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Apr 15 12.08pm | |
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^^^^^^ 'Yes' say plenty of happily married couples in mixed relationships and 'thanks for asking'. 'Cry Freedom ' it was called. Not 'Cry Wonderful Harmony' Everyone is entitled to freedom but harmony is never going to happen....and that is my point.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 26 Apr 15 3.54pm | |
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^^^^^^ 'Yes' say plenty of happily married couples in mixed relationships and 'thanks for asking'. 'Cry Freedom ' it was called. Not 'Cry Wonderful Harmony' Everyone is entitled to freedom but harmony is never going to happen....and that is my point. Harmony does happen and is happening. Not all the time, but a lot of it. The fact you choose only to see the bad in the world says more about you than you can imagine.
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