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Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 3.07pm
Quote Superfly at 15 Apr 2015 12.03pm
IMO, you can't deny that overcrowding is a major factor (every spare inch in Lewisham borough is currently having a 20 story being built on it) but I honestly think the main problem is the NHS is being run down deliberately. Around 15 years ago, all my local GP practices (6 or 7 of them I think) were almalgamated into one big group practice. When it opened, there were 12 registered GP's, their website is now reporting 8 - but, I don't see any more then 3 working at any one point (I've had a few health run in's recently so I've had a lot of recent experience). Last year, they stopped same day appointments. When I tried to get one a few months back I was given a 12 day wait. There's a 'walk in' service most afternoons that sees the first 14 people only (I went to it, got there about an hour early, and would've been 20th in the queue!). They'll only see 14 because it's just one GP working. A paranoid chap would start to think that somebody, somewhere has decided they don't like the UK having free healthcare anymore. You say that like you think it's all decided by some ideological politician somewhere. The NHS is primarily run for its employees (patients coming a poor second). Within the current system, to get lots of GPs to work somewhere like Lewisham you have basically have to bribe them. Otherwise they're going to choose to work somewhere else (eg, abroad, like most British-born doctors choose to nowadays). In Germany, local GP practices are private businesses. They fit lots of patients in because it makes them money. Which works well for the patients. The NHS works pretty well, most of the time, for its staff. Patients less so. NHS, best healthcare system in the world. Keep believing it, lefties! It would be nicer if may the fact that everything is going to s**t in a basket made of s**t was actually down to a conspiracy of Tories or Lefties. The reality lies really with the fact that we've been cutting taxes continually and living in a delusional view that we can spend less and get the same level of public services, whilst costs are rising. In reality whats happening is that the traditional cost carriers have been ripped to the bare ass, and now the 'popular' services are affected. Waiting 3 weeks to see a GP. Its six months to get into a rehab unit* and the state of the nations Mental Health and Elder care provision by the state is so p*ss poor its offensive to call it care. * For those who don't know, you can't really detox without medical care, and typically you need to 'maintain' a habit prior to entering rehab. Six months is a pretty long time to maintain a stablised habit without sliding off the deep end.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Apr 15 4.13pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Apr 2015 10.57am
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Apr 2015 10.11am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 15 Apr 2015 9.48am
A mate of mine told me over the weekend how it takes him a couple of weeks to get a GP appointment.
So he doesn't even bother because by the time he sees the GP he'll be alright again. In Germany, it's same day (not least because you are legally obliged to provide an Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung [sick note - gotta love German words] within two days of calling in sick). The idea that you would wait more than a couple of days for a GP appointment would be a national scandal here. NHS, best healthcare system in the world! (You keep believing that, lefties, if it makes you feel better.)
If he lived in Lincolnshire, it would be 3/4 weeks! Part of the blame falls to NHS/GP's practice inefficiency but a lot of overcrowding is due to immigration. Small villages in Lincolnshire are swamped with gangs of fruit pickers and labourers on the fields often trebling the population and only having one GP for the village. That is why more and more people turn up at A&E which puts more pressure on their resources especially on a Friday/Saturday night when the p1ssed up population also start turning up at A&E with alcohol related injuries. If we keep letting more and more people in we will have to keep building more GP practices and keep bussing in more GP's/Nurses from abroad... it's a vicious circle! However we could consider the notion that UKIP and Nigel Farage are right........ but then it's too easy to stick your head in the sand and accuse them of being racist! Edited by Hoof Hearted (15 Apr 2015 10.11am) Who will pick the fruit?
I don't think the benefits system is anywhere near flexible enough to allow that to occur without them having to re-enter the benefits system. I generally agree with the sentiment - but the reality is our benefit system is so 'restrictive and demanding' that it would probably render anyone who did this homeless.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 15 7.33pm |
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Have to say, the Greens are spot on in the edumacation section of their manifesto.
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 matt_himself Matataland 15 Apr 15 8.01pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm
Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset. Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS. The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008. Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff. Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified. My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves! Of course, certain posters will dismiss this. More here... [Link]
Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them? Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure? Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda? I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses. I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff. I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this. You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up. I would urge you to back up your opinions. Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
You said that the head of BMA has said there is a crisis in A&E and I have asked what that is and you didn't answer. Well, only to call me a tosser. Crisis in the NHS is a term that is being bandied about this election by a lot of people. Yet I have not heard a credible or backed up reasoning for this. If you cannot answer and have to resort to insults when asked, well that says a lot to me. I read through all of that and most of the reports you posted appear to reflect that 'the NHS is facing potential crisis' as opposed to 'the NHS is in crisis'. And there is a crucial difference between the two. I believe that the influx of immigrants, particularly in London, has contributed to this potential crisis. The reason I have been pushing in this is because from my perspective, the NHS has been 'weaponised' this election and it is important that people know the facts. I still don't believe the NHS is in crisis. It is clearly creaking and needs reorganisation which should be preceded with a debate on the way we want to pay for the reorganisation and how it will be carried out. The biggest issue I believe for the NHS is that people will not look at what the NHS does objectively and then objectively think about the right changes to ensure it operates effectively for a growing and ageing population. There will be too much emotion involved for objectivity. I would welcome opinion from anyone who actually works in the NHS on this and hear their opinions.
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| johnfirewall 15 Apr 15 8.02pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 7.33pm
Have to say, the Greens are spot on in the edumacation section of their manifesto. Is it as fanciful as these?
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 7.33pm
Have to say, the Greens are spot on in the edumacation section of their manifesto. Is it as fanciful as these? Read it and find out...
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 15 8.07pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 15 Apr 2015 8.01pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 7.14am
Quote matt_himself at 15 Apr 2015 6.01am
Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 5.04pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 4.41pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am
Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm
Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset. Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS. The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008. Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff. Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified. My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves! Of course, certain posters will dismiss this. More here... [Link]
Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them? Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure? Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda? I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses. I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff. I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this. You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up. I would urge you to back up your opinions. Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
You said that the head of BMA has said there is a crisis in A&E and I have asked what that is and you didn't answer. Well, only to call me a tosser. Crisis in the NHS is a term that is being bandied about this election by a lot of people. Yet I have not heard a credible or backed up reasoning for this. If you cannot answer and have to resort to insults when asked, well that says a lot to me. I read through all of that and most of the reports you posted appear to reflect that 'the NHS is facing potential crisis' as opposed to 'the NHS is in crisis'. And there is a crucial difference between the two. I believe that the influx of immigrants, particularly in London, has contributed to this potential crisis. The reason I have been pushing in this is because from my perspective, the NHS has been 'weaponised' this election and it is important that people know the facts. I still don't believe the NHS is in crisis. It is clearly creaking and needs reorganisation which should be preceded with a debate on the way we want to pay for the reorganisation and how it will be carried out. The biggest issue I believe for the NHS is that people will not look at what the NHS does objectively and then objectively think about the right changes to ensure it operates effectively for a growing and ageing population. There will be too much emotion involved for objectivity. I would welcome opinion from anyone who actually works in the NHS on this and hear their opinions.
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| matt_himself Matataland 15 Apr 15 8.15pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 8.07pm
Quote matt_himself at 15 Apr 2015 8.01pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 7.14am
Quote matt_himself at 15 Apr 2015 6.01am
Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 5.04pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 4.41pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am
Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm
Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset. Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS. The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008. Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff. Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified. My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves! Of course, certain posters will dismiss this. More here... [Link]
Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them? Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure? Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda? I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses. I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff. I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this. You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up. I would urge you to back up your opinions. Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
You said that the head of BMA has said there is a crisis in A&E and I have asked what that is and you didn't answer. Well, only to call me a tosser. Crisis in the NHS is a term that is being bandied about this election by a lot of people. Yet I have not heard a credible or backed up reasoning for this. If you cannot answer and have to resort to insults when asked, well that says a lot to me. I read through all of that and most of the reports you posted appear to reflect that 'the NHS is facing potential crisis' as opposed to 'the NHS is in crisis'. And there is a crucial difference between the two. I believe that the influx of immigrants, particularly in London, has contributed to this potential crisis. The reason I have been pushing in this is because from my perspective, the NHS has been 'weaponised' this election and it is important that people know the facts. I still don't believe the NHS is in crisis. It is clearly creaking and needs reorganisation which should be preceded with a debate on the way we want to pay for the reorganisation and how it will be carried out. The biggest issue I believe for the NHS is that people will not look at what the NHS does objectively and then objectively think about the right changes to ensure it operates effectively for a growing and ageing population. There will be too much emotion involved for objectivity. I would welcome opinion from anyone who actually works in the NHS on this and hear their opinions.
I repeat. I believe the NHS is being weaponised this election. I believe they have an agenda, as do others. Signing such a 'letter' before an election smells a bit.
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| matt_himself Matataland 15 Apr 15 8.15pm |
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Sensible policies for a better Britain:
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| matt_himself Matataland 15 Apr 15 8.19pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 15 Apr 2015 8.02pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 7.33pm
Have to say, the Greens are spot on in the edumacation section of their manifesto. Is it as fanciful as these?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 15 8.22pm |
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Over £1.5billion worth of NHS contracts given to Tory donors... A bit fishy if you ask me.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 15 8.22pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 15 Apr 2015 8.19pm
Quote johnfirewall at 15 Apr 2015 8.02pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Apr 2015 7.33pm
Have to say, the Greens are spot on in the edumacation section of their manifesto. Is it as fanciful as these?
Go on...
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