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matt_himself Matataland 21 Jan 15 5.34am
Interesting article: [Link] Harmless, eh? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 21 Jan 15 5.34am

Interesting article:

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Harmless, eh?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Oliver Bodega Bay 21 Jan 15 7.07am
Quote legaleagle at 20 Jan 2015 2.04pm Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2015 6.12am Quote legaleagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.01pm Quote matt_himself at 19 Jan 2015 10.11pm Quote nickgusset at 19 Jan 2015 10.06pm [Link] gathering momentum... Let's see what people do when they are in voting box, Gusset. No one with half a brain cell or who carries an iota of understanding of how civilised society works would vote for those middle class hippies. If it is going to be a case of generically and stereotypically depicting "middle class hippies" at one end beyond the "old party" spectrum, then equally it should perhaps logically also be an accepted depiction by those doing so of middle class "banker types" beyond the other end of the spectrum. Some people might suggest that those "middle aged hippies" have no understanding of how a civilised society works; others might suggest that "middle class banker types" have a very highly developed sense of how an uncivilised society works! Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 12.51am) You are entitled to believe whatever you feel makes you superior. The fact is, most UKIP supporters aren't bankers, a sizeable proportion aren't middle class. But that doesn't fit with your prejudice of what constitutes a UKIP voter, does it? Matthew,you are similarly completely entitled to hold whatever views you believe make you feel "superior" including the view (however incorrect it might be in reality) that the views I or someone like me express make me/us feel superior. Don't judge others by different standards to how you would wish to be judged in terms of motives or feelings of supposed "superiority". But,you miss the basic point I was making, quite apart from the fact your post (and therefore my response) was about the people voters vote for, ie the prominent politicians,not the voters themselves.You (or any of us) can't have it both ways by happily applying a generic stereotype to a party we disagree with but taking umbrage when someone then applies a similar one back to a party you support.So,if the stereotype about UKIP is not something you feel is legitimate to apply,think again about applying similar stereotypes to other parties,such as the Greens. Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 2.52pm) This. Great post Edited by Oliver (21 Jan 2015 7.08am) I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 21 Jan 15 7.07am

Quote legaleagle at 20 Jan 2015 2.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2015 6.12am

Quote legaleagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.01pm

Quote matt_himself at 19 Jan 2015 10.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 19 Jan 2015 10.06pm

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Let's see what people do when they are in voting box, Gusset. No one with half a brain cell or who carries an iota of understanding of how civilised society works would vote for those middle class hippies.

If it is going to be a case of generically and stereotypically depicting "middle class hippies" at one end beyond the "old party" spectrum, then equally it should perhaps logically also be an accepted depiction by those doing so of middle class "banker types" beyond the other end of the spectrum.

Some people might suggest that those "middle aged hippies" have no understanding of how a civilised society works; others might suggest that "middle class banker types" have a very highly developed sense of how an uncivilised society works!

Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 12.51am)

You are entitled to believe whatever you feel makes you superior.

The fact is, most UKIP supporters aren't bankers, a sizeable proportion aren't middle class. But that doesn't fit with your prejudice of what constitutes a UKIP voter, does it?

Matthew,you are similarly completely entitled to hold whatever views you believe make you feel "superior" including the view (however incorrect it might be in reality) that the views I or someone like me express make me/us feel superior. Don't judge others by different standards to how you would wish to be judged in terms of motives or feelings of supposed "superiority".

But,you miss the basic point I was making, quite apart from the fact your post (and therefore my response) was about the people voters vote for, ie the prominent politicians,not the voters themselves.You (or any of us) can't have it both ways by happily applying a generic stereotype to a party we disagree with but taking umbrage when someone then applies a similar one back to a party you support.So,if the stereotype about UKIP is not something you feel is legitimate to apply,think again about applying similar stereotypes to other parties,such as the Greens.

Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 2.52pm)

This. Great post

Edited by Oliver (21 Jan 2015 7.08am)

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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bright&wright 21 Jan 15 8.28am
Quote Oliver at 21 Jan 2015 7.07am Quote legaleagle at 20 Jan 2015 2.04pm Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2015 6.12am Quote legaleagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.01pm Quote matt_himself at 19 Jan 2015 10.11pm Quote nickgusset at 19 Jan 2015 10.06pm [Link] gathering momentum... Let's see what people do when they are in voting box, Gusset. No one with half a brain cell or who carries an iota of understanding of how civilised society works would vote for those middle class hippies. If it is going to be a case of generically and stereotypically depicting "middle class hippies" at one end beyond the "old party" spectrum, then equally it should perhaps logically also be an accepted depiction by those doing so of middle class "banker types" beyond the other end of the spectrum. Some people might suggest that those "middle aged hippies" have no understanding of how a civilised society works; others might suggest that "middle class banker types" have a very highly developed sense of how an uncivilised society works! Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 12.51am) You are entitled to believe whatever you feel makes you superior. The fact is, most UKIP supporters aren't bankers, a sizeable proportion aren't middle class. But that doesn't fit with your prejudice of what constitutes a UKIP voter, does it? Matthew,you are similarly completely entitled to hold whatever views you believe make you feel "superior" including the view (however incorrect it might be in reality) that the views I or someone like me express make me/us feel superior. Don't judge others by different standards to how you would wish to be judged in terms of motives or feelings of supposed "superiority". But,you miss the basic point I was making, quite apart from the fact your post (and therefore my response) was about the people voters vote for, ie the prominent politicians,not the voters themselves.You (or any of us) can't have it both ways by happily applying a generic stereotype to a party we disagree with but taking umbrage when someone then applies a similar one back to a party you support.So,if the stereotype about UKIP is not something you feel is legitimate to apply,think again about applying similar stereotypes to other parties,such as the Greens. Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 2.52pm) This. Great post Edited by Oliver (21 Jan 2015 7.08am) How is this a great post? Literally said nothing but rambling b*llocks. 'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.
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21 Jan 15 8.28am

Quote Oliver at 21 Jan 2015 7.07am

Quote legaleagle at 20 Jan 2015 2.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2015 6.12am

Quote legaleagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.01pm

Quote matt_himself at 19 Jan 2015 10.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 19 Jan 2015 10.06pm

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gathering momentum...

Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 12.51am)

You are entitled to believe whatever you feel makes you superior.

The fact is, most UKIP supporters aren't bankers, a sizeable proportion aren't middle class. But that doesn't fit with your prejudice of what constitutes a UKIP voter, does it?

Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 2.52pm)

This. Great post

Edited by Oliver (21 Jan 2015 7.08am)

How is this a great post? Literally said nothing but rambling b*llocks.

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

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legaleagle 21 Jan 15 9.02am
Quote bright&wright at 21 Jan 2015 8.28am Quote Oliver at 21 Jan 2015 7.07am Quote legaleagle at 20 Jan 2015 2.04pm Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2015 6.12am Quote legaleagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.01pm Quote matt_himself at 19 Jan 2015 10.11pm Quote nickgusset at 19 Jan 2015 10.06pm [Link] gathering momentum... Let's see what people do when they are in voting box, Gusset. No one with half a brain cell or who carries an iota of understanding of how civilised society works would vote for those middle class hippies. If it is going to be a case of generically and stereotypically depicting "middle class hippies" at one end beyond the "old party" spectrum, then equally it should perhaps logically also be an accepted depiction by those doing so of middle class "banker types" beyond the other end of the spectrum. Some people might suggest that those "middle aged hippies" have no understanding of how a civilised society works; others might suggest that "middle class banker types" have a very highly developed sense of how an uncivilised society works! Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 12.51am) You are entitled to believe whatever you feel makes you superior. The fact is, most UKIP supporters aren't bankers, a sizeable proportion aren't middle class. But that doesn't fit with your prejudice of what constitutes a UKIP voter, does it? Matthew,you are similarly completely entitled to hold whatever views you believe make you feel "superior" including the view (however incorrect it might be in reality) that the views I or someone like me express make me/us feel superior. Don't judge others by different standards to how you would wish to be judged in terms of motives or feelings of supposed "superiority". But,you miss the basic point I was making, quite apart from the fact your post (and therefore my response) was about the people voters vote for, ie the prominent politicians,not the voters themselves.You (or any of us) can't have it both ways by happily applying a generic stereotype to a party we disagree with but taking umbrage when someone then applies a similar one back to a party you support.So,if the stereotype about UKIP is not something you feel is legitimate to apply,think again about applying similar stereotypes to other parties,such as the Greens. Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 2.52pm) This. Great post Edited by Oliver (21 Jan 2015 7.08am) How is this a great post? Literally said nothing but rambling b*llocks. Great post
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21 Jan 15 9.02am

Quote bright&wright at 21 Jan 2015 8.28am

Quote Oliver at 21 Jan 2015 7.07am

Quote legaleagle at 20 Jan 2015 2.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2015 6.12am

Quote legaleagle at 19 Jan 2015 11.01pm

Quote matt_himself at 19 Jan 2015 10.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 19 Jan 2015 10.06pm

[Link]
gathering momentum...

Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 12.51am)

You are entitled to believe whatever you feel makes you superior.

The fact is, most UKIP supporters aren't bankers, a sizeable proportion aren't middle class. But that doesn't fit with your prejudice of what constitutes a UKIP voter, does it?

Edited by legaleagle (20 Jan 2015 2.52pm)

This. Great post

Edited by Oliver (21 Jan 2015 7.08am)

How is this a great post? Literally said nothing but rambling b*llocks.

Great post

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legaleagle 21 Jan 15 9.25am
Quote matt_himself at 21 Jan 2015 5.34am Interesting article: [Link] Harmless, eh? Interesting: " Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets." Barcelona haven't done too badly... [Link] Edited by legaleagle (21 Jan 2015 9.29am)
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21 Jan 15 9.25am

Quote matt_himself at 21 Jan 2015 5.34am

Interesting article:

[Link]

Harmless, eh?

Interesting: " Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets." Barcelona haven't done too badly...

[Link]

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 21 Jan 15 9.30am
Cameron's not stupid. His calling out for the Greens to be part of the debates, even if politically motivated, has seen them raise their profile and gain membership/votes at pretty much no damage to the Conservative vote. Good work. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Cameron's not stupid. His calling out for the Greens to be part of the debates, even if politically motivated, has seen them raise their profile and gain membership/votes at pretty much no damage to the Conservative vote. Good work.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jan 15 9.56am
The Greens at least have one eye on the hurricane of a future that is coming, what with climate change, over population, diminishing fossil fuels, unsustainable population levels, diminishing oxygen quality, increasing conflict over resources and rising food prices. Not really something you can say of the main stream parties. The future prospects for the next two or three generations doesn't look too good. And it isn't something that's going to be fixed by quick short term solution. Of course that isn't a reason to vote green, but it is your childrens, and their childrens future. Gestures like carbon footprint tax and recycling household waste won't make a dent in it either. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The Greens at least have one eye on the hurricane of a future that is coming, what with climate change, over population, diminishing fossil fuels, unsustainable population levels, diminishing oxygen quality, increasing conflict over resources and rising food prices. Not really something you can say of the main stream parties.

The future prospects for the next two or three generations doesn't look too good. And it isn't something that's going to be fixed by quick short term solution.

Of course that isn't a reason to vote green, but it is your childrens, and their childrens future. Gestures like carbon footprint tax and recycling household waste won't make a dent in it either.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Pawson Palace Croydon 21 Jan 15 11.06am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2015 9.56am The Greens at least have one eye on the hurricane of a future that is coming, what with climate change, over population, diminishing fossil fuels, unsustainable population levels, diminishing oxygen quality, increasing conflict over resources and rising food prices. Not really something you can say of the main stream parties. The future prospects for the next two or three generations doesn't look too good. And it isn't something that's going to be fixed by quick short term solution. Of course that isn't a reason to vote green, but it is your childrens, and their childrens future. Gestures like carbon footprint tax and recycling household waste won't make a dent in it either. What is the point if countries like India, pakistan and China don't give a feck and are building more coal power stations by the day. The whole green tax thing is totally meaningless unless the worst offenders are brought into line. A recent example- a few years ago we were all told to buy diesels and now, it turns out they aren't as green as thought and now want to tax it to buggery! It's ludicrous! As for legalising memberships in terrorist organisations well the less said the better to be honest. Edit: Just noticed this gem... Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. The policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a 'British national' is irrelevant and outdated.” I'm very much proud to be British- who are they or anyone else to take away our national identity? Edited by Pawson Palace (21 Jan 2015 11.08am) Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2015 9.56am

The future prospects for the next two or three generations doesn't look too good. And it isn't something that's going to be fixed by quick short term solution.

Of course that isn't a reason to vote green, but it is your childrens, and their childrens future. Gestures like carbon footprint tax and recycling household waste won't make a dent in it either.

What is the point if countries like India, pakistan and China don't give a feck and are building more coal power stations by the day.

The whole green tax thing is totally meaningless unless the worst offenders are brought into line.

A recent example- a few years ago we were all told to buy diesels and now, it turns out they aren't as green as thought and now want to tax it to buggery! It's ludicrous!

As for legalising memberships in terrorist organisations well the less said the better to be honest.

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Just noticed this gem...

Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. The policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a 'British national' is irrelevant and outdated.”

I'm very much proud to be British- who are they or anyone else to take away our national identity?

Edited by Pawson Palace (21 Jan 2015 11.08am)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 21 Jan 15 11.30am
The one really great thing about the Greens I think is that all of their policies are decided from the bottom up, meaning they are a genuinely representative organisation for their members. Obviously they have policies many won't agree with, but what party doesn't? At least it's not some random think tank or lobbying business determining what the [arty does or doesn't fight for. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The one really great thing about the Greens I think is that all of their policies are decided from the bottom up, meaning they are a genuinely representative organisation for their members.

Obviously they have policies many won't agree with, but what party doesn't? At least it's not some random think tank or lobbying business determining what the [arty does or doesn't fight for.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jan 15 11.42am
Quote Pawson Palace at 21 Jan 2015 11.06am Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2015 9.56am The Greens at least have one eye on the hurricane of a future that is coming, what with climate change, over population, diminishing fossil fuels, unsustainable population levels, diminishing oxygen quality, increasing conflict over resources and rising food prices. Not really something you can say of the main stream parties. The future prospects for the next two or three generations doesn't look too good. And it isn't something that's going to be fixed by quick short term solution. Of course that isn't a reason to vote green, but it is your childrens, and their childrens future. Gestures like carbon footprint tax and recycling household waste won't make a dent in it either. What is the point if countries like India, pakistan and China don't give a feck and are building more coal power stations by the day. The whole green tax thing is totally meaningless unless the worst offenders are brought into line. A recent example- a few years ago we were all told to buy diesels and now, it turns out they aren't as green as thought and now want to tax it to buggery! It's ludicrous! As for legalising memberships in terrorist organisations well the less said the better to be honest. Edit: Just noticed this gem... Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. The policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a 'British national' is irrelevant and outdated.” I'm very much proud to be British- who are they or anyone else to take away our national identity? Edited by Pawson Palace (21 Jan 2015 11.08am) Well firstly, India is a different country, and arguably a political party that is motivated towards environmental issues of the future, is far more likely to pursue policy that encourages such countries towards a mutually benefical resolution. In terms of countries like India, in order to obtain a decrease in pollution output. I can't see any of the major parties being willing to 'give much away' as they're happy to see pollution from manufacturing exported to the third world. The concept of a English National, is increasingly irrelevant as a concept, irrespective of what people would like to believe, as the definitive economic generation is trans-national and facilitated through pan-global corporations. They aren't taking away your identity, they're essentially putting it in to a real world context. Nation is a diminishing source of influence on the world stage, where increasingly problems and solutions need to be embraced trans-nationally. Indeed, British as a concept, exists entirely on the basis of international finance companies that do business here and our position in the world is entirely tied into those other nations. Which kind of ties into your first point, the solution for pollution cannot be resolved by nations independently, the solution has to be sought on a multi-national scale. A situation that increasingly is becoming the case (the problems of the third world are increasingly becoming those of the first world). We can't just think 'British' anymore and expect that to be sufficient to progress into the next century. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Jan 15 11.42am

Quote Pawson Palace at 21 Jan 2015 11.06am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2015 9.56am

The future prospects for the next two or three generations doesn't look too good. And it isn't something that's going to be fixed by quick short term solution.

Of course that isn't a reason to vote green, but it is your childrens, and their childrens future. Gestures like carbon footprint tax and recycling household waste won't make a dent in it either.

What is the point if countries like India, pakistan and China don't give a feck and are building more coal power stations by the day.

The whole green tax thing is totally meaningless unless the worst offenders are brought into line.

A recent example- a few years ago we were all told to buy diesels and now, it turns out they aren't as green as thought and now want to tax it to buggery! It's ludicrous!

As for legalising memberships in terrorist organisations well the less said the better to be honest.

Edit:

Just noticed this gem...

I'm very much proud to be British- who are they or anyone else to take away our national identity?

Edited by Pawson Palace (21 Jan 2015 11.08am)

Well firstly, India is a different country, and arguably a political party that is motivated towards environmental issues of the future, is far more likely to pursue policy that encourages such countries towards a mutually benefical resolution. In terms of countries like India, in order to obtain a decrease in pollution output. I can't see any of the major parties being willing to 'give much away' as they're happy to see pollution from manufacturing exported to the third world.

The concept of a English National, is increasingly irrelevant as a concept, irrespective of what people would like to believe, as the definitive economic generation is trans-national and facilitated through pan-global corporations.

They aren't taking away your identity, they're essentially putting it in to a real world context. Nation is a diminishing source of influence on the world stage, where increasingly problems and solutions need to be embraced trans-nationally. Indeed, British as a concept, exists entirely on the basis of international finance companies that do business here and our position in the world is entirely tied into those other nations.

Which kind of ties into your first point, the solution for pollution cannot be resolved by nations independently, the solution has to be sought on a multi-national scale. A situation that increasingly is becoming the case (the problems of the third world are increasingly becoming those of the first world).

We can't just think 'British' anymore and expect that to be sufficient to progress into the next century.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jan 15 11.47am
Whatless unrealistic flower power utopian bollicks, that whilst may seem to have positive sentiment at it's heart, is utterly unworkable, and more to the point totally unfinaceable. Unless of course all you workers out there are happy to pay most of your hard earned in TAX to feed to the workshy. IMO there is no difference between the trustafarians and the monster raving looney party. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jan 15 11.47am

Whatless unrealistic flower power utopian bollicks, that whilst may seem to have positive sentiment at it's heart, is utterly unworkable, and more to the point totally unfinaceable. Unless of course all you workers out there are happy to pay most of your hard earned in TAX to feed to the workshy.

IMO there is no difference between the trustafarians and the monster raving looney party.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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ghosteagle 21 Jan 15 11.55am
Quote dannyh at 21 Jan 2015 11.47am Whatless unrealistic flower power utopian bollicks, that whilst may seem to have positive sentiment at it's heart, is utterly unworkable, and more to the point totally unfinaceable. Unless of course all you workers out there are happy to pay most of your hard earned in TAX to feed to the workshy. IMO there is no difference between the trustafarians and the monster raving looney party. I must have missed that bit in the manifesto....
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Quote dannyh at 21 Jan 2015 11.47am

Whatless unrealistic flower power utopian bollicks, that whilst may seem to have positive sentiment at it's heart, is utterly unworkable, and more to the point totally unfinaceable. Unless of course all you workers out there are happy to pay most of your hard earned in TAX to feed to the workshy.

IMO there is no difference between the trustafarians and the monster raving looney party.

I must have missed that bit in the manifesto....

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