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bexleydave Barnehurst 17 Apr 14 1.12pm
Quote Eagle-Gaz at 17 Apr 2014 1.01pm Quote Sussex Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.59pm Just been on Talk sport that F.A are looking at a 4 or 6 points deduction for the Cardiff team leak. They will make their decision after final games! Are you winding us up? It's not called Talk Sh1te for nothing. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 17 Apr 14 1.12pm

Quote Eagle-Gaz at 17 Apr 2014 1.01pm

Quote Sussex Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.59pm

Just been on Talk sport that F.A are looking at a 4 or 6 points deduction for the Cardiff team leak. They will make their decision after final games!

Are you winding us up?

It's not called Talk Sh1te for nothing.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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SnapperKain SE25 6PU 17 Apr 14 1.13pm
Points deduction? Nah, what are they doing to see if they investigate this, Palace field the same team as they have done for weeks, Cardiff put out a team that any prem manager would of guessed and didn't change it even though they allegedly knew about the leak 24 hours before. The result would of been the same regardless and remember it's innocent till proven guilty, they'd have to prove that we maliciously tried to get hold of that team sheet and employed dubious methods to do so. Can't see how going to that much effort for a team sheet that could be guessed with a 99% accuracy would be worth it. As for making an example of us, surely if they did deduct points, then this would set the example of bringing this kind of complaint up could get your rivals to have points deducted and we could see this kind of tactic being used at the end of every friggin season. I mean in that case f*ck it, get someone in the Palace back room staff who fancies making a bonus to text the team sheet to someone at Fulham and then claim they cheated and get some points deducted from them. I can't see the FA taking this seriously ,especially from a man who looks like a James Bond baddy. The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots
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SE25 6PU 17 Apr 14 1.13pm

Points deduction? Nah, what are they doing to see if they investigate this, Palace field the same team as they have done for weeks, Cardiff put out a team that any prem manager would of guessed and didn't change it even though they allegedly knew about the leak 24 hours before. The result would of been the same regardless and remember it's innocent till proven guilty, they'd have to prove that we maliciously tried to get hold of that team sheet and employed dubious methods to do so. Can't see how going to that much effort for a team sheet that could be guessed with a 99% accuracy would be worth it.

As for making an example of us, surely if they did deduct points, then this would set the example of bringing this kind of complaint up could get your rivals to have points deducted and we could see this kind of tactic being used at the end of every friggin season. I mean in that case f*ck it, get someone in the Palace back room staff who fancies making a bonus to text the team sheet to someone at Fulham and then claim they cheated and get some points deducted from them.

I can't see the FA taking this seriously ,especially from a man who looks like a James Bond baddy.

The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 17 Apr 14 1.15pm
Quote Sussex Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.59pm Just been on Talk sport that F.A are looking at a 4 or 6 points deduction for the Cardiff team leak. They will make their decision after final games! I stand to be corrected but I'm not sure there's ever been a points deduction imposed on a Premier League club (other than for going into administration), not even on West Ham who really did deserve it. Edited by Cucking Funt (17 Apr 2014 1.17pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Quote Sussex Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.59pm

Just been on Talk sport that F.A are looking at a 4 or 6 points deduction for the Cardiff team leak. They will make their decision after final games!

I stand to be corrected but I'm not sure there's ever been a points deduction imposed on a Premier League club (other than for going into administration), not even on West Ham who really did deserve it.

Edited by Cucking Funt (17 Apr 2014 1.17pm)

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bexleydave Barnehurst 17 Apr 14 1.15pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Apr 2014 1.09pm So suppose the game is ordered to be replayed, Cardiff win and they stay up at the expense of, say, Fulham or Norwich. That alone will provoke a shtstorm of litigation. It's a road the FA just won't go down. These allegations only* have legs if money changed hands at some stage and it can be proved so. It's a preposterous notion. A desperate attempt by Tan to claw back some points and, frankly, it's doomed, like his club, to failure. They could, of course, get round that problem by just deducting points from us? Not that I think that's likely. Edited by bexleydave (17 Apr 2014 1.16pm) Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Apr 2014 1.09pm

So suppose the game is ordered to be replayed, Cardiff win and they stay up at the expense of, say, Fulham or Norwich. That alone will provoke a sh*tstorm of litigation. It's a road the FA just won't go down. These allegations only have legs if money changed hands at some stage and it can be proved so. It's a preposterous notion.

A desperate attempt by Tan to claw back some points and, frankly, it's doomed, like his club, to failure.

They could, of course, get round that problem by just deducting points from us? Not that I think that's likely.

Edited by bexleydave (17 Apr 2014 1.16pm)

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lindz kent 17 Apr 14 1.22pm
Quote bexleydave at 17 Apr 2014 1.15pm Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Apr 2014 1.09pm So suppose the game is ordered to be replayed, Cardiff win and they stay up at the expense of, say, Fulham or Norwich. That alone will provoke a shtstorm of litigation. It's a road the FA just won't go down. These allegations only* have legs if money changed hands at some stage and it can be proved so. It's a preposterous notion. A desperate attempt by Tan to claw back some points and, frankly, it's doomed, like his club, to failure. They could, of course, get round that problem by just deducting points from us? Not that I think that's likely. Edited by bexleydave (17 Apr 2014 1.16pm) This^^^. I'm 100% the game will never be replayed and Cardiff won't be given any points etc it would cause chaos within the game and will never happen ever. All they would ever do is deduct points but as above that's highly unlikely and if they did I imagine it would only be 3 points and the game would have been forfeited by us with a minus 3 goals from the game as is standard for a forfeit but Cardiff won't get the extra points or goals, IMO I think that is the very worst to happen but again I don't think it will, if anything it will be a fine and even more so after Sunderlands saga they had more of an advantage playing an ineligible player than knowing a team sheet.
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Quote bexleydave at 17 Apr 2014 1.15pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Apr 2014 1.09pm

A desperate attempt by Tan to claw back some points and, frankly, it's doomed, like his club, to failure.

They could, of course, get round that problem by just deducting points from us? Not that I think that's likely.

Edited by bexleydave (17 Apr 2014 1.16pm)

This^^^. I'm 100% the game will never be replayed and Cardiff won't be given any points etc it would cause chaos within the game and will never happen ever. All they would ever do is deduct points but as above that's highly unlikely and if they did I imagine it would only be 3 points and the game would have been forfeited by us with a minus 3 goals from the game as is standard for a forfeit but Cardiff won't get the extra points or goals, IMO I think that is the very worst to happen but again I don't think it will, if anything it will be a fine and even more so after Sunderlands saga they had more of an advantage playing an ineligible player than knowing a team sheet.

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EastEndPalace WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 17 Apr 14 1.23pm
Quote Sussex Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.59pm Just been on Talk sport that F.A are looking at a 4 or 6 points deduction for the Cardiff team leak. They will make their decision after final games! Hahaha Nice try.
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Quote Sussex Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.59pm

Just been on Talk sport that F.A are looking at a 4 or 6 points deduction for the Cardiff team leak. They will make their decision after final games!

Hahaha Nice try.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Apr 14 1.25pm
Any deduction would be appealled, and the history of the PL giving points deductions doesn't seem to suggest that this would count. The precident set by West Ham over Tevez set the bar high for a points deduction. I think people are speculating wildly, because theres never really been such an incident before. Cardiff are only calling for the game to be 'cancelled' essentially costing us 3 points. We should offer to replay the game. If the evidence is a text forwarded by someone else to someone to a third party and then recieved from the original party I don't really see how it proves a corrupt practice: only that someone provided Moody etc with information (or that Tony Pulis had the information and acted on it). Its embrassing, but I fail to see how anything can be claimed as proven other than being a bit unethical. We should also approch the FA and PML about how all this information is actually available as public record. Given that the newsources seem to have obtained a lot of information pre-investigation, it would seem that Cardiff are equally questionable in that they're leaking information to the press that contaminates any impartial investigation. The media seems to know as much about it as the FA. The text seems to have been seen by all and sundry, the FA/PML complaint has been seen by the news agencies, and Tan has several times been quoted in direct reference to the evidence. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Any deduction would be appealled, and the history of the PL giving points deductions doesn't seem to suggest that this would count. The precident set by West Ham over Tevez set the bar high for a points deduction.

I think people are speculating wildly, because theres never really been such an incident before.

Cardiff are only calling for the game to be 'cancelled' essentially costing us 3 points. We should offer to replay the game.

If the evidence is a text forwarded by someone else to someone to a third party and then recieved from the original party I don't really see how it proves a corrupt practice: only that someone provided Moody etc with information (or that Tony Pulis had the information and acted on it).

Its embrassing, but I fail to see how anything can be claimed as proven other than being a bit unethical. We should also approch the FA and PML about how all this information is actually available as public record. Given that the newsources seem to have obtained a lot of information pre-investigation, it would seem that Cardiff are equally questionable in that they're leaking information to the press that contaminates any impartial investigation.

The media seems to know as much about it as the FA. The text seems to have been seen by all and sundry, the FA/PML complaint has been seen by the news agencies, and Tan has several times been quoted in direct reference to the evidence.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 17 Apr 14 1.25pm
Quote lindz at 17 Apr 2014 1.22pm Quote bexleydave at 17 Apr 2014 1.15pm Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Apr 2014 1.09pm So suppose the game is ordered to be replayed, Cardiff win and they stay up at the expense of, say, Fulham or Norwich. That alone will provoke a shtstorm of litigation. It's a road the FA just won't go down. These allegations only* have legs if money changed hands at some stage and it can be proved so. It's a preposterous notion. A desperate attempt by Tan to claw back some points and, frankly, it's doomed, like his club, to failure. They could, of course, get round that problem by just deducting points from us? Not that I think that's likely. Edited by bexleydave (17 Apr 2014 1.16pm) This^^^. I'm 100% the game will never be replayed and Cardiff won't be given any points etc it would cause chaos within the game and will never happen ever. All they would ever do is deduct points but as above that's highly unlikely and if they did I imagine it would only be 3 points and the game would have been forfeited by us with a minus 3 goals from the game as is standard for a forfeit but Cardiff won't get the extra points or goals, IMO I think that is the very worst to happen but again I don't think it will, if anything it will be a fine and even more so after Sunderlands saga they had more of an advantage playing an ineligible player than knowing a team sheet. Hardly a positive outcome for Cardiff, then. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Quote lindz at 17 Apr 2014 1.22pm

Quote bexleydave at 17 Apr 2014 1.15pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Apr 2014 1.09pm

A desperate attempt by Tan to claw back some points and, frankly, it's doomed, like his club, to failure.

They could, of course, get round that problem by just deducting points from us? Not that I think that's likely.

Edited by bexleydave (17 Apr 2014 1.16pm)

Hardly a positive outcome for Cardiff, then.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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collier row eagle romford essex via another galaxy 17 Apr 14 1.29pm
Just been on BBC news about it, Cardiff say we had an advantage knowing their team, I would expect it to be chucked out, as apparently it goes on all the time, and if Cardiff leaked it, why would we be punished.
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Just been on BBC news about it, Cardiff say we had an advantage knowing their team, I would expect it to be chucked out, as apparently it goes on all the time, and if Cardiff leaked it, why would we be punished.

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barber o'reilly Teenage Wasteland 17 Apr 14 1.33pm
Fielding an ineligible player is one thing but it is hard to see how being given the wrong information of an opponents team sheet would in any way directly influence a matches outcome, can't see how a points deduction could be justified. Mr Tan is an odious little worm who seems to blame everyone and everything for his sides shortcomings , no wonder he was such a successful businessman . Shed 7 - Maroon 5 . A real end to end encounter !
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Fielding an ineligible player is one thing but it is hard to see how being given the wrong information of an opponents team sheet would in any way directly influence a matches outcome, can't see how a points deduction could be justified. Mr Tan is an odious little worm who seems to blame everyone and everything for his sides shortcomings , no wonder he was such a successful businessman .

Shed 7 - Maroon 5 . A real end to end encounter !

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Quote collier row eagle at 17 Apr 2014 1.29pm Just been on BBC news about it, Cardiff say we had an advantage knowing their team, I would expect it to be chucked out, as apparently it goes on all the time, and if Cardiff leaked it, why would we be punished. Because we're Crystal Palace and Shlt always happens to us!! Sooner the Taff complaint is dismissed by the premier league the better. Edited by Barcelona Based Fan (17 Apr 2014 1.40pm) TaxiMark Sheffield Wednesday Fan Posted 23 February 2013 - 07:49 PM I don't mind palace to be fair. Much better club than tinpot Charlton and Brighton
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Quote collier row eagle at 17 Apr 2014 1.29pm

Because we're Crystal Palace and Shlt always happens to us!!
Sooner the Taff complaint is dismissed by the premier league the better.

Edited by Barcelona Based Fan (17 Apr 2014 1.40pm)

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 07:49 PM
I don't mind palace to be fair. Much better club than tinpot Charlton and Brighton

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radsyrendot From Coventry now in Leicester 17 Apr 14 1.35pm
if palace asked for the team sheet ....why did it go to Freedman ?? allegedly
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From Coventry now in Leicester 17 Apr 14 1.35pm

if palace asked for the team sheet ....why did it go to Freedman ??
allegedly

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