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jamiemartin721  Reading 02 Jul 14 12.58pm |
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 02 Jul 2014 11.31am
Prison. * Punishment, and to some extent retribution from the victim(s) , and society.
Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2014 11.32am) But not as bad as people like to imagine. The problem is really on how we operate prisons and treat prisoners isn't that well suited to rehabilition, esp when it comes to 'cost cuttings'. But thats besides the point, old Harris isn't going to be rehabilitated, too old. I never used to agree with the punishment aspect, but HoL has brought me around to the way of thinking that an element of 'justice' must be seen to be done on behalf of the victims. As far as I'm concerned he, hall etc should spend the rest of their lives in secure captivity.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jul 14 1.03pm |
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Quote black eagle. at 02 Jul 2014 11.46am
i met Rolf Harris as a kid doing work experience at a radio station,still a bit shocked by all this,never in a million years did he come across as a paedo. still Harris will have to go through public humiliation in prison of everyone trying to have a pop at him something that Saville got away with it. i hope he suffers in prison before he dies,again something Saville never had to endure. It should hopefully serve as a warning, that child sex offenders, for the most part aren't really any different than anyone else. In many ways it shouldn't have been a surprising as it was, predatory paedophiles seek out access to children and often cultiate a sense of trust and nievity as a cover. And have beards and wear sandals.
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 Stirlingsays 02 Jul 14 1.03pm |
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I reckon there's too many of you happy to dust down your pitchfolk and torch. Brooks innocent and Harris guilty.......I don't have much faith in either.
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| ghosteagle 02 Jul 14 1.05pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Jul 2014 1.03pm
I reckon there's too many of you happy to dust down your pitchfolk and torch. Brooks innocent and Harris guilty.......I don't have much faith in either. I second that, have very little faith in the justice system.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jul 14 3.49pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Jul 2014 1.03pm
I reckon there's too many of you happy to dust down your pitchfolk and torch. Brooks innocent and Harris guilty.......I don't have much faith in either. Difference is that Brooks defence was aiming at reasonable doubt, where as Rolfs seems to be based on being innocent. Hats off to Brooks, she was quite happy to be made to look incompetant, a bad manager of her staff and stupid, rather than guilty, in court (as well as selling Coulson down the river). Where as rolfy, big mistake was having a witness that whilst they get the year wrong, manages to describe all the event, you claim you were never at, and then have the prosecution produce incontrovertable film and photographic evidence that puts you at the scene as described by the witness. When its your word against theres, never ever get caught out in a blantent lie. Were it Brookes, in that situation, they'd have said they don't remember being there because it was so long ago. Its a very subtle important difference than a catagorical denial. Purjering yourself in court and getting caught never ends well.
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adrian b  Landrindod, Wales 02 Jul 14 3.56pm |
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When I left school I found a job as an entertainer at a holiday camp in Wales. While I was there I indulged in all the testerone induced 'fun' I could muster, with as many women as I could induce to join in. I was 18, some of the women were mothers, some wives, some may have been grandmothers, and I have no idea how old the unmarried ones were. They looked ok, old enough and were as willing, if not more so, than me. After 50 years where does that put me? And there were many young bands doing the tours in those days and 100s of girls who wanted to score, add a notch to their experience. Where does that put them? All a bit confusing for most of us I suppose. But Savil and Harris, seems pretty obvious.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jul 14 4.20pm |
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Quote adrian b at 02 Jul 2014 3.56pm
When I left school I found a job as an entertainer at a holiday camp in Wales. While I was there I indulged in all the testerone induced 'fun' I could muster, with as many women as I could induce to join in. I was 18, some of the women were mothers, some wives, some may have been grandmothers, and I have no idea how old the unmarried ones were. They looked ok, old enough and were as willing, if not more so, than me. After 50 years where does that put me? And there were many young bands doing the tours in those days and 100s of girls who wanted to score, add a notch to their experience. Where does that put them? All a bit confusing for most of us I suppose. But Savil and Harris, seems pretty obvious. Were they all over 16? Were they capable of informed consent? If so, you're fine. If not you're a rapist, and possibly a nonsey one too.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Jul 14 4.23pm |
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)
I've posted before on here that leniency is often given purely because someone is old, which is neither here nor there when it comes to being guilty.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jul 14 4.33pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Jul 2014 4.23pm
Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)
I've posted before on here that leniency is often given purely because someone is old, which is neither here nor there when it comes to being guilty. It maybe should be considered in terms of the elements of sentencing that relate to things like Rehabilition or Danger to Society. As Forrest points out, only part prison is about punishment or retributive justice on behalf of the victims. But then in contrast, should you be lenient with someone on the basis that they've essentially gotten away with it for the past 50 years. Its different maybe when you're talking about someone who did something thirty years ago but is essentially rehabilitated already (or never did it again) and pleaded guilty. This is a man who abused children in the 60, 70s, 80s and probably 90s (maybe 2000's), who not only plead not guilty, but claimed they were fantasies, lies etc, meaning they had to go through court. Serial child rapist. Hardly the model of repentance and contrition.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Jul 14 4.45pm |
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I don't think it should be considered at all. Not in these cases, nor any others. Justice is supposed to be equal to all.
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| ghosteagle 02 Jul 14 4.47pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Jul 2014 4.45pm
I don't think it should be considered at all. Not in these cases, nor any others. Justice is supposed to be equal to all.
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| adrian b Landrindod, Wales 02 Jul 14 4.59pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Jul 2014 4.20pm
Quote adrian b at 02 Jul 2014 3.56pm
When I left school I found a job as an entertainer at a holiday camp in Wales. While I was there I indulged in all the testerone induced 'fun' I could muster, with as many women as I could induce to join in. I was 18, some of the women were mothers, some wives, some may have been grandmothers, and I have no idea how old the unmarried ones were. They looked ok, old enough and were as willing, if not more so, than me. After 50 years where does that put me? And there were many young bands doing the tours in those days and 100s of girls who wanted to score, add a notch to their experience. Where does that put them? All a bit confusing for most of us I suppose. But Savil and Harris, seems pretty obvious. Were they all over 16? Were they capable of informed consent? If so, you're fine. If not you're a rapist, and possibly a nonsey one too.
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