Avoiding religious quotes and texts it's better to understand the history of the region
Over the course of history, several empires governed the area of so called Palestine. Palestine as an independent nation-state – that is, governed by its own elected people, and not as a colony – did not exist before 1948

It is important to note that the borders and political control of the region varied during different periods and were subject to changes and conflicts. Palestine itself has never been governed by its own authority

I appreciate that you are late to the thread but the previous history of the region and its different administrations had already been gone over.

As for Palestine having never existed before as a political state, who cares what you call it? They are Islamic and the Islamic population of that region had been in the vast majority and on-going for hundreds of years, which is generation upon generation owning and living on that land.

So when...I presume you're Jewish....the Jews start migrating from mostly Europe in large numbers and then aggressively taking homes and land from those people.....I don't think it's realistic to think that's justified morally on those people....because, oh well you technically were never officially recognised or given a name.

They were never asked.

Seems kind of common that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Mar 2024 12.20pm)

I understand that you are expressing your viewpoint on the historical and political aspects of the Israel-Palestine conflict. It is indeed a complex and sensitive topic with multiple narratives and perspectives.

It is important to note that discussions around this issue often involve passionate opinions and differing interpretations of history. While it is true that the Islamic population has been living in the region for centuries, the situation is further complicated by historical events such as the establishment of Israel, displacement of Palestinians, and ongoing conflict.

I'm not Jewish. I'm atheist. I prefer to think for myself, because more truth and happiness comes my way.

Your middle paragraph is the only one that proves the point. Humans are at the top of the food chain, not by coincidence, nor by dint that we can communicate and invent and decide things. Purely by the fact we have the ability to kill with no remorse. That being to stay at the top of the food chain. If dinos had still been around we would have killed them by now to stay at the top. Only the earth would be the victor if it decided it was pissed off. Off track but pretty much how it is IMO.

Being Jewish isn't just about the religious aspect, it also carries a tribal aspect as most Jews aren't that religious either or not at all. But you say you're not Jewish so fair enough....I don't say that with the view that it means you'd automatically support what's going on, as a minority of Jews don't....just that the tribal aspect would understandably kick in.....which I don't criticise, but it would provide motivation for a particular take.

While what I've written may seem that I'm strongly against Israel in reality I'm just stating what I view as a reasonable interpretation of history from an objective standpoint.

To an extent I'm steel manning the argument. I don't actually think there is a right or wrong answer....It's a tragedy whatever happens. However, it would be correct to say that, as Einstein did I disagreed with what happened in 48....and it was wholly deliberate what happened.

There is what is best for Jews in Israel...indeed, what is realistically possible for Jews in Israel and there is fairness....these are not necessarily the same thing.

But that's real life.

There is what is best for Palestinians in Israel/Palestine...indeed, what is realistically possible for Palestinians in Israel/Palestine and there is fairness....these again are not necessarily the same thing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Mar 2024 12.45pm)

Being Jewish isn't just about the religious aspect, it also carries a tribal aspect as most Jews aren't that religious either or not at all. But you say you're not Jewish so fair enough....I don't say that with the view that it means you'd automatically support what's going on, as a minority of Jews don't....just that the tribal aspect would understandably kick in.....which I don't criticise, but it would provide motivation for a particular take.

While what I've written may seem that I'm strongly against Israel in reality I'm just stating what I view as a reasonable interpretation of history from an objective standpoint.

To an extent I'm steel manning the argument. I don't actually think there is a right or wrong answer....It's a tragedy whatever happens. However, it would be correct to say that, as Einstein did I disagreed with what happened in 48....and it was wholly deliberate what happened.

There is what is best for Jews in Israel...indeed, what is realistically possible for Jews in Israel and there is fairness....these are not necessarily the same thing.

But that's real life.

There is what is best for Palestinians in Israel/Palestine...indeed, what is realistically possible for Palestinians in Israel/Palestine and there is fairness....these again are not necessarily the same thing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Mar 2024 12.45pm)