I've read that....However, considering their stated impact in Mariupol (their base) I'm sure the figures are higher. Aside from that it was just an interesting aspect I'd learnt.

From what I've seen your point about not surrendering is correct for both sides. No one is ever going to bind my hands together...better to go out fighting.

The treatment of prisoners in this war is nothing short of appalling and I would like to see this addressed properly as soon as possible. Investigations are very very necessary.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I thought for a rare occasion you'd taken criticism on board. You certainly agree with and indeed promote censorship of certain ideas and voices, though I don't have time to draw this endlessly out and it's off topic as it is. You're right though, I don't get to decide that passes as acceptable language on HOL.

You have a sense of humour at times which is always a persons saving grace. I'm not sure that I need advice on 'ideological hatred' from someone who goes as ideologically 'all in' as you do though.

I take as much issue with 'woke' and 'left' groups at the fringes of their politics as I do right equivalent (you're very closely aligned mentally if not ideologically), just not on here as it isn't in any way the emphasis or push so largely what's the point. There's a reason I like comedians like Joey Diaz and Tim Dillon. They're hardly 'PC', but they are not totally ideologically warped or hateful. They are open to people, and see the absurdity of entrenched views that are detached from day to day life.

You're not dialing down the realities of many of those in these groups who are clearly mentally out of it or extreme on account of 'love'. For someone ultra judgemental of anyone remotely 'centrist' or 'left', I'm afraid it's a two way street. Like I said, you seem to think you've engaged in some kind of deep dive, forensic take. Yeah, then you turn on Tucker Carlson, call your gay family member a f@ggot by proxy, and give a stamp of approval to a far right race hate group known to be followed by nutters. How nuanced. Not an emotional crutch at all. Another victim of the 'choose your own reality' online environment.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Apr 2022 6.51pm)

War is terrible. "Laws" of warfare are slightly at odds with the overall concept.
Vikings did some horrific things against the Saxons. And probably the reverse may also apply.
What the Japanese did during WW2 is amongst the most horrific war crimes recently chronicled and documented.
Armed conflicts around the globe haver incited all sorts of barbaric atrocities.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (07 Apr 2022 9.38am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

If someone wants to follow an analysis of this war, which I view as far more detailed and balanced than our rudimentary media I would recommend following Michael De La Broc who I've found very incisive.

His latest Youtube video on the war can be found here:

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You are honestly on some kind of wind up. Clearly you've woke up in a bad mood and decided that someones was in for it. I literally spent days in that Will Smith thread saying that anything goes with comedy, whoever it is and that a stage is essentially holy ground and quite literally that if you don't like a comedian change the channel. The point of highlighting them was to say that I don't particularly care whether a comedian comes from a left or right perspective. What b0llocks you spout.

No actually I was on topic and simply talking about your attitudes to the west and how it feeds into this topic.. You shoehorned in covid and god knows what.

You don't get to talk about 'rational arguments' when you repeatedly excused and fob off criticismn of a group who attracts support of previously prescribed terror groups, and has had active followers imprisoned due to terror plots they're involved in. Then you have the nerve to constantly berate normal people with ordinary views.

You're the one with the warped ideology and weird slurs. If you look for a rise you'll get one.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Apr 2022 9.11pm)

Oh the little darling wants to do the insults now does he.

Like I say, I don't have your 'hate'....insult away, it's all you have. But I just don't have anything like your level of personal animosity.

You're bright but also insecure and boringly obsessed with discussing race politics with me any opportunity you can. I introduced covid only as a passing example, not to obsess over. It may be news to you but I'm not really that interested in making every discussion with you about bloody race.

It has no real place in the thread....that's on you.

As I've described, in my view you're the one with the sick politics because your opinions have damaged society generationally in increased crime rates...serious ones like murder and rape, family breakdown, terrorism, generational displacement and future conflicts that never needed to happen. Yet you have the gall to present yourself as some kind of moral voice. I think that's a sick joke.

I have no issues discussing any topic with you. However, if you're going to continue down the same emotional and 'hateful' valley why don't you just stop posting at me like you said you would before....which you didn't adhere to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2022 7.27pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)