That's true. So why on earth have you spent so much time and effort defending something you knew wasn't true?

Anyone reading your posts would get the distinct impression that you believe in absolute free speech, as you bit the head off anyone, like me, who suggested otherwise.

Getting you to admit this isn't true feels like a breakthrough to me, although your denial is to be expected.

Cannot be seen by the Hol faithful with egg on the face, can we?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I'll pointlessly answer this as well before signing off.

I can't help what your impression are and it's not as though I haven't spoken about free speech quite a lot....though it's normally against the terrible laws introduced since Blair.

You won't find any post on Hol where I've advocated for the absolutist position. It's extreme libertarianism and while I can respect the sentiment (as I do with a lot of libertarianism) I don't think it's practical.

You haven't got me to admit anything I don't say anyway. Anyone who has regularly read me would know that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2021 12.36am)

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WE - I just wanted to comment on your point about one of the group that was shot who was carrying a skateboard - not sure whether he was local or not however it is clear that skateboards are being used by rioters/protesters as they are both a handy weapon and a “deniable” weapon.

Just google skateboards and rioters and there is plenty of content.

Not suggesting that this was the case in this instance but thought your point could be clarified further…

OK, thanks for the heads-up. There is always something new to learn.

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Just spotted a media comment about Rittenhouse which is worth repeating.

Rittenhouse was 17 when these events occurred legally that meant he was a minor something the media and politicians failed to take into account when they plastered his name and face everywhere and pronounced his guilt.

I still think what he did was foolish at best and possibly he was guilty. however I never sat through the trial and as others have pointed out on here previously with controversial trials we were not the jury so we have seen this through the prism of the media (pick your own flavour).

One more point

Firstly apologies to those reading for the length of this post. However, after WE made the point several times that there's no evidence to support my statements....which doesn't appear to be an issue for himself...I thought that I would...in this instance, take the time to look into this more deeply.

The DNC question is one that would require a lot more research (though Project Veritas seem to have worked on it). But I won't tackle that here.

Instead we will tackle what I said that seems to have also annoyed WE: 'Rittenhouse was asked to turn up and was cleaning graffiti off of his workplace for most of that day.'

It does in fact seemed to be factual that Rittenhouse was employed in as a community lifeguard in Kenosha.

The only correction I need to make is that appears that Rittenhouse was cleaning off graffiti from a high school rather than from his workplace.

'In a statement by Rittenhouse’s legal team at Pierce Bainbridge, provided to the Gateway Pundit, they explained that “after Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters.'

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If you missed the image of Rittenhouse clearing off graffiti, there is an image of him doing just that at the bottom of the post.

Now, as to whether Rittenhouse was asked to defend businesses I think that is unclear. To provide a clearer picture from the particular slant that Wisbech wants to put we can even quote from the very same article WE provides:

'Prior to the shootings, Rittenhouse said he was asked to protect businesses and property. On cross-examination, Rittenhouse's defense attorney pressed the witness to say whether people were requested to protect the property – saying that, in a previously given interview, the business suffered a couple million dollars in damages. The witness said he did not know, as his father handles the money portions of the business.'

Also it can be noted that it isn't in the interests of these car owners to say they supported armed defence of their business when Antifa and BLM are well known for revenge attacks and causing damage to businesses and then not being properly persecuted by Democratic authorities.....it would be likely that they would suffer attacks.....just as Rittenhouse and his family have allegedly undergone death threats from leftist activists since this event....something I regard as highly likely.

Here it can be noted that one of the car dealer owners had a picture taken with 'heavily armed civilians' at this time which included Rittenhouse. It suggests to me that he had little issue with them protecting businesses. This article includes the image of that.

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'Sahil, who posed for a picture outside the Car Source with Rittenhouse and a group of heavily armed civilians, testified that he hadn't actually known any of the men at the time. He requested a photo because he was "so impressed" by the way the men were dressed, and had previously only seen armed men like that on television, he said.'

'Anmol, who at the time was an inventory manager at the Car Source properties, recalled briefly chatting with Rittenhouse earlier in the day and giving the then-17-year-old his phone number.'

So here we see that Sahil told the court that he didn't ask the men to protect the business, but he also didn't ask them to leave.

From the Wikipedia page for this event:

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'According to Rittenhouse, he drove to Kenosha on August 24 to stay with his friend Dominick Black,[57][58] who kept a rifle he purchased for Rittenhouse four months earlier at his Kenosha home.[58][59] Rittenhouse and Black arrived at Car Source on August 25.[60][61] Accounts differ as to whether Rittenhouse and Black's help was requested by Car Source. The dealership owner's sons denied that gunmen had been asked to defend the business,[62][63] but several witnesses testified that armed individuals had been directly sought out by the business to protect their property.'

I think the most likely truth on this particular question is that business were quite happy for armed protection to be there while rioters were looking to cause damage to businesses every night.

However as to whether any one from a business officially asked Rittenhouse himself to be there is unknowable...what is more likely is that Rittenhouse wanted to be a part of that protection scene.

Here is a link to an article by Heavy, on it is an interview of Rittenhouse outside a business that had been previously attacked actually protecting it.....that's what he actually says.

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So I think the argument that Rittenhouse went there to kill people actually is conjecture and has no actually evidence to support it....as the fact is that each of the people who Rittenhouse shot were actually attacking him at the time....In each instance they went to him, not the other way around.

A quote from the same article:

'Witnesses told Heavy at the scene that Rittenhouse was with a group of white males who came to Kenosha to defend property after Black Lives Matter protesters caused a series of arson fires and other property damage throughout the city. In one instance, an officer was struck with a brick. A call for armed citizens to defend people and property then went out on social media, although Kenosha police have not yet confirmed which group Rittenhouse was associated with, if any. Dramatic video and photos from the scene show him being struck by a man with a skateboard at one point in the sequence of events that saw Rittenhouse being chased down the street before opening fire for a second time.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2021 2.36pm)

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