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Mstrobez 16 May 17 9.00pm | |
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Originally posted by susmik
But they do that is a known fact. Labour think by taxing the better paid people they can make all these wonderful work like, Nationalise the railways, the post office, the water companies etc.. what a load of tosh. It has been proved by George Osborne that by lowering the tax threshold on the rich the government will rake in more money as when you tax the better off with high taxes they either move away or stop in vesting. Labour has ALWAYS been a high taxing and borrowing party and is why we are in the sh1t we are and paying back so much money. Labour if in power would bankrupt the country and we would ALLbe worse off as happened before. You have your opinion. Read my original post where I explained why I think labour hating the rich is untrue and then actually explain why they do without just saying there policies are nonsense. I'm genuinely intrigued, not in a sarcastic way. It's about a fairer society in my opinion. But please explain exactly HOW labour would bankrupt the country, rather than just saying they will based on tax will be a bit higher and everyone with money will f*** off. Which is clearly a bit of an exagerration. If you actually read the manifesto, economically it really isn't that punishing of those who have more money. Do people really believe 5p tax increase is really more of an issue than Nurses going to food banks? The Tories are allowing this to happen, things like this in society should be viewed as a crisis and we should all chip in to sort it out.
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matt_himself Matataland 16 May 17 9.04pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The reliability of the links is up to you. What I would say is that Generals are constiutionally meant to remain politically neutral, and yet he publically spoke out against the leader of the opposition. His quote that power making certain realisations apparent is incredible IMO. What I would say if you wanna find out more, is read the military forums, and see what people inside the force think about this. I saw a link to it after that Times leak and you had almost unanimous agreement that this was a reliable source and that Corbyn wouldn't be allowed to take over. I do agree take everything with a pinch of salt, but the fact that it doesn't even enter in to election conversation is absolutely astounding to me. No, it is up to you to provide reliable evidence to back up your position. Until you do so, your 'position' will be automatically dismissed as paranoid, politically driven drivel.
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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 9.05pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Regarding Trident and if Labour get in there will be a strategic defence review and JC will be able to ascertain the defence chiefs' opinion on whether Trident is a deterrent or not. It is by no means a given that their view will be that it is and they are aware of the run-down state of our conventional forces to help pay for it. Is there an alternative cheaper missile system and is it effective? There are still several years available to use the present Trident system it would not be leaving the nuclear deterrent to defer renewal. IMO Trident is out-dated cold war thinking. Outdated?....Russia and China with expressionist mindsets and you call this outdated. What matters is ensuring that it is probable that attacking us with nuclear weapons would result in an unacceptable loss to themselves. Whatever the system is.... it is only the unpleasant result that matters. The name of it is unimportant. If it were true that our system was ineffective then the best policy would be to correct that as quickly as possible. Corbyn is totally wedded to non use regardless. His party isn't but they don't get to decide if push came to shove. A CND mindset in charge at the top of government is unacceptable. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 9.07pm)
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Mstrobez 16 May 17 9.07pm | |
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Our services clearly lack resources. You only have to experience it to know that many key services are underfunded and cannot cope. Labour are raising tax by a modest amount to provide funding to areas of our society we all hope we never have to rely on, but essentially it's almost inevitable that at some point in time we will, or a member of our family will. It's all good to tell us "yeah but we're building for the future", well when do we start investing again? This is the problem I've always had with tories, they ALWYS have money to provide for causes that seem so insignificant to the ordinary but the argument is "well yeah but this will help our economy and if we don't do it well all be f***ed anyway", yet they never seem to sort anything out that those worse off can actually benefit from. How many more years of austerity do we face? When do we have enough money? When are the tories going to actually help those who rely on help the most?
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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Our services clearly lack resources. You only have to experience it to know that many key services are underfunded and cannot cope. Labour are raising tax by a modest amount to provide funding to areas of our society we all hope we never have to rely on, but essentially it's almost inevitable that at some point in time we will, or a member of our family will. It's all good to tell us "yeah but we're building for the future", well when do we start investing again? This is the problem I've always had with tories, they ALWYS have money to provide for causes that seem so insignificant to the ordinary but the argument is "well yeah but this will help our economy and if we don't do it well all be f***ed anyway", yet they never seem to sort anything out that those worse off can actually benefit from. How many more years of austerity do we face? When do we have enough money? When are the tories going to actually help those who rely on help the most? Have you seen the film 'The Big Short'?
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elgrande bedford 16 May 17 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The reliability of the links is up to you. What I would say is that Generals are constiutionally meant to remain politically neutral, and yet he publically spoke out against the leader of the opposition. His quote that power making certain realisations apparent is incredible IMO. What I would say if you wanna find out more, is read the military forums, and see what people inside the force think about this. I saw a link to it after that Times leak and you had almost unanimous agreement that this was a reliable source and that Corbyn wouldn't be allowed to take over. I do agree take everything with a pinch of salt, but the fact that it doesn't even enter in to election conversation is absolutely astounding to me.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 May 17 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
No, it is up to you to provide reliable evidence to back up your position. Until you do so, your 'position' will be automatically dismissed as paranoid, politically driven drivel. By whom exactly?
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.TUX. 16 May 17 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by susmik
But they do that is a known fact. Labour think by taxing the better paid people they can make all these wonderful work like, Nationalise the railways, the post office, the water companies etc.. what a load of tosh. It has been proved by George Osborne that by lowering the tax threshold on the rich the government will rake in more money as when you tax the better off with high taxes they either move away or stop in vesting. Labour has ALWAYS been a high taxing and borrowing party and is why we are in the sh1t we are and paying back so much money. Labour if in power would bankrupt the country and we would ALLbe worse off as happened before. What a load of tosh.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 May 17 9.18pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Won't be Great Britain if we get a Tory hard Brexit. United Ireland, Possibility of Scotland going. Our proud union will be a shadow of itself. Formed only of England and Wales, we'll have a flag comprising of a George Cross with a Dragon sticker on it. satirical catastrophising before anyone takes that too seriously.
Edited by nickgusset (16 May 2017 9.22pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 17 9.19pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
What a load of tosh.
What pitiful situation?
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steeleye20 Croydon 16 May 17 9.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Outdated?....Russia and China with expressionist mindsets and you call this outdated. What matters is ensuring that it is probable that attacking us with nuclear weapons would result in an unacceptable loss to themselves. Whatever the system is.... it is only the unpleasant result that matters. The name of it is unimportant. If it were true that our system was ineffective then the best policy would be to correct that as quickly as possible. Corbyn is totally wedded to non use regardless. His party isn't but they don't get to decide if push came to shove. A CND mindset in charge at the top of government is unacceptable. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 9.07pm) The present Trident system will operate for another 15 years maximum that is ample time to change to a cost-effective missile system if available.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 17 9.24pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Won't be Great Britain if we get a Tory hard Brexit. United Ireland, Possibility of Scotland going. Our proud union will be a shadow of itself. Formed only of England and Wales, we'll have a flag comprising of a George Cross with a Dragon sticker on it.
Scotland can do what it likes. So far it has always liked being in the Union, despite various attempts by stupid politicians to change it.
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