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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 12.37pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare I can accept it. My point is that regardless of it all it was still misinformation. A word that you love using on "conspiracy theorists" Those spreading conspiracy theories don't correct them asap! They repeat and then double down on them. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 12.37pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I can accept it. My point is that regardless of it all it was still misinformation. A word that you love using on "conspiracy theorists"

Those spreading conspiracy theories don't correct them asap!

They repeat and then double down on them.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 12.45pm
I object to being called a liar. The dispute I have with the government is completely unconnected to the Coronavirus pandemic and therefore has no place in this thread. It is also not the business of anyone here. It's a private matter which was mentioned in the past in a completely different context. I trust that's the last time this needs to be said. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 12.45pm

I object to being called a liar.

The dispute I have with the government is completely unconnected to the Coronavirus pandemic and therefore has no place in this thread.

It is also not the business of anyone here. It's a private matter which was mentioned in the past in a completely different context.

I trust that's the last time this needs to be said.

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georgenorman 23 Aug 23 12.54pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I object to being called a liar. The dispute I have with the government is completely unconnected to the Coronavirus pandemic and therefore has no place in this thread. It is also not the business of anyone here. It's a private matter which was mentioned in the past in a completely different context. I trust that's the last time this needs to be said. Should we start a new thread?
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georgenorman

23 Aug 23 12.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I object to being called a liar.

The dispute I have with the government is completely unconnected to the Coronavirus pandemic and therefore has no place in this thread.

It is also not the business of anyone here. It's a private matter which was mentioned in the past in a completely different context.

I trust that's the last time this needs to be said.

Should we start a new thread?

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eaglesdare 23 Aug 23 12.54pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those spreading conspiracy theories don't correct them asap! They repeat and then double down on them. Most conspiracy theories of the last 3 years came true. The next conspiracy theory to come true is climate lockdowns.... Anyways I still don't see you saying that Joe Bidens statement was incorrect.
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eaglesdare

23 Aug 23 12.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those spreading conspiracy theories don't correct them asap!

They repeat and then double down on them.

Most conspiracy theories of the last 3 years came true.

The next conspiracy theory to come true is climate lockdowns....

Anyways I still don't see you saying that Joe Bidens statement was incorrect.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 12.55pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I have the same attitude toward all of them, in authority or tasked with knowing what is best for us, that you have toward Trump and Johnson. There is a reason why MPs aren't allowed to call one another liars. Believe on half of what you see and nothing that you hear. Edgar Allen Poe Why is this lying b*****d lying to me? Jeremy Paxman The conventions on unparliamentary language seem to be evolving so calling someone a liar, in a nuanced way, now seems possible. It only applies in the HOC anyway. You can say it outside, although you take other risks there. A degree of cynicism is both healthy and justified but not to the level of complete distrust. They have a job to do. They are accountable to those we elect to do it. That's the way it works. It's not a bed of roses. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 12.55pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I have the same attitude toward all of them, in authority or tasked with knowing what is best for us, that you have toward Trump and Johnson. There is a reason why MPs aren't allowed to call one another liars.

Believe on half of what you see and nothing that you hear.
Edgar Allen Poe

Why is this lying b*****d lying to me?
Jeremy Paxman

The conventions on unparliamentary language seem to be evolving so calling someone a liar, in a nuanced way, now seems possible. It only applies in the HOC anyway. You can say it outside, although you take other risks there.

A degree of cynicism is both healthy and justified but not to the level of complete distrust. They have a job to do. They are accountable to those we elect to do it. That's the way it works. It's not a bed of roses.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Aug 23 1.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The conventions on unparliamentary language seem to be evolving so calling someone a liar, in a nuanced way, now seems possible. It only applies in the HOC anyway. You can say it outside, although you take other risks there. A degree of cynicism is both healthy and justified but not to the level of complete distrust. They have a job to do. They are accountable to those we elect to do it. That's the way it works. It's not a bed of roses. Lies come in many forms with omission being only one. I had meetings at work when I had to tell people they were doing a great job (which was variously true) without adding they were going to be made redundant in three months (which was definitely true).
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Teddy Eagle

23 Aug 23 1.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Lies come in many forms with omission being only one.
I had meetings at work when I had to tell people they were doing a great job (which was variously true) without adding they were going to be made redundant in three months (which was definitely true).

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 2.41pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Most conspiracy theories of the last 3 years came true. The next conspiracy theory to come true is climate lockdowns.... Anyways I still don't see you saying that Joe Bidens statement was incorrect. Most? Only a conspiracy theorist would say something as daft as that. It seems you cannot read either. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 2.41pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Most conspiracy theories of the last 3 years came true.

The next conspiracy theory to come true is climate lockdowns....

Anyways I still don't see you saying that Joe Bidens statement was incorrect.

Most? Only a conspiracy theorist would say something as daft as that.

It seems you cannot read either.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 2.43pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Lies come in many forms with omission being only one. I had meetings at work when I had to tell people they were doing a great job (which was variously true) without adding they were going to be made redundant in three months (which was definitely true). Then you too were being economical with the truth, rather than directly lying. It's sometimes necessary and sometimes imposed on you by those with authority over you. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 2.43pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Then you too were being economical with the truth, rather than directly lying. It's sometimes necessary and sometimes imposed on you by those with authority over you.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Aug 23 3.29pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Then you too were being economical with the truth, rather than directly lying. It's sometimes necessary and sometimes imposed on you by those with authority over you. Just terminology. I would call it a lie of ommission.
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Teddy Eagle

23 Aug 23 3.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then you too were being economical with the truth, rather than directly lying. It's sometimes necessary and sometimes imposed on you by those with authority over you.

Just terminology. I would call it a lie of ommission.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 3.40pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Just terminology. I would call it a lie of ommission. Not really. That's a stage further. Implying that something untrue is true, without actually saying it. Being economical with the truth doesn't imply anything. No doubt though that there are many borderline cases that could be argued over. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 23 3.40pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Just terminology. I would call it a lie of ommission.

Not really. That's a stage further. Implying that something untrue is true, without actually saying it. Being economical with the truth doesn't imply anything. No doubt though that there are many borderline cases that could be argued over.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Aug 23 4.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not really. That's a stage further. Implying that something untrue is true, without actually saying it. Being economical with the truth doesn't imply anything. No doubt though that there are many borderline cases that could be argued over. Whatever you call it I hated doing it and in due course it happened to me just as suddenly. The difference was that I was 57 and mortgage free so it worked out well in my case. Take the money and retire. Happy days.
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Teddy Eagle

23 Aug 23 4.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whatever you call it I hated doing it and in due course it happened to me just as suddenly. The difference was that I was 57 and mortgage free so it worked out well in my case. Take the money and retire. Happy days.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Aug 23 4.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If a road sweeper makes a mistake nobody notices or cares. If a politician does their opponents seize upon it to attempt to establish their own perspectives. It was ever thus. So it's necessary to try to take a step back and assess whether the error was deliberate or just a mistake. In this case, it is clear that this was an unfortunate unscripted expression, perhaps caused by a genuine misunderstanding. Biden isn't a virologist. He was urging people to get the vaccine and certainly not putting them at a greater risk of harm. You seem to have low expectations of people in power. In many careers where people's lives are put at risk, the financial rewards are greater, and so is expectation, of at least professional standards. In Biden's case, it is obvious to see he's not capable of reasoned thought expression. However, other well-qualified and well-remunerated people, including scientists and other politicians, have talked and acted with impunity with words and actions that have lead directly to people needlessly dying. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If a road sweeper makes a mistake nobody notices or cares. If a politician does their opponents seize upon it to attempt to establish their own perspectives. It was ever thus. So it's necessary to try to take a step back and assess whether the error was deliberate or just a mistake.

In this case, it is clear that this was an unfortunate unscripted expression, perhaps caused by a genuine misunderstanding. Biden isn't a virologist. He was urging people to get the vaccine and certainly not putting them at a greater risk of harm.

You seem to have low expectations of people in power. In many careers where people's lives are put at risk, the financial rewards are greater, and so is expectation, of at least professional standards.
In Biden's case, it is obvious to see he's not capable of reasoned thought expression.
However, other well-qualified and well-remunerated people, including scientists and other politicians, have talked and acted with impunity with words and actions that have lead directly to people needlessly dying.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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