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Mapletree Croydon 03 Apr 20 6.31pm | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Been reading through this thread and to be honest has lightened my day, I’m lucky.... I work as manager of betting shop (non essential so closed) but I’m on full pay, but sitting here with my wife and kids seeing my wife worry about all this is not nice. It’s a very nasty way to die. Take no action and hundreds of thousands will indeed die. We really, really mustn’t overload hospitals. Without hospitalisation dearth rates will skyrocket
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 Apr 20 6.44pm | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Been reading through this thread and to be honest has lightened my day, I’m lucky.... I work as manager of betting shop (non essential so closed) but I’m on full pay, but sitting here with my wife and kids seeing my wife worry about all this is not nice. A really good perspective post. I would further add that in the main triad of agencies, (Government, media, scientists), that there has been complicit compromising of released data and advice, in order to minimise impact on NHS , supermarkets and employers. (and to maximise perceived Government action and to sell stories) Just my opinion, based on experience, but no facts. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Apr 2020 6.47pm)
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 6.54pm | |
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Death rates would be huge without firstly stopping the spread and without hospital assistance bodies would be piling up on the streets,in front rooms,in bedrooms etc. Ventilators only buy the time for the body to fight the infection. There is no cure apart from us. This weekend will put death rates up in two to three weeks. The police need to be firm to protect the less ignorant and arrogant.
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DanH SW2 03 Apr 20 6.56pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Death rates would be huge without firstly stopping the spread and without hospital assistance bodies would be piling up on the streets,in front rooms,in bedrooms etc. Ventilators only buy the time for the body to fight the infection. There is no cure apart from us. This weekend will put death rates up in two to three weeks. The police need to be firm to protect the less ignorant and arrogant. Agreed.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 7.13pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Agreed. You bloody well did that on purpose danh ggrr
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 20 7.19pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Death rates would be huge without firstly stopping the spread and without hospital assistance bodies would be piling up on the streets,in front rooms,in bedrooms etc. Ventilators only buy the time for the body to fight the infection. There is no cure apart from us. This weekend will put death rates up in two to three weeks. The police need to be firm to protect the less ignorant and arrogant. I haven't seen too many Police in my 'Neck of the woods' but my residence is not in a town and perhaps they are more visible in those areas. Each day, I stroll along the beach which has been virtually deserted and those that are on it are spaced well apart. On the roads near the beach, people are very sensible and ensure that they keep their distance, sometimes walking in the road or even crossing over to the other side.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 20 7.39pm | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Been reading through this thread and to be honest has lightened my day, I’m lucky.... I work as manager of betting shop (non essential so closed) but I’m on full pay, but sitting here with my wife and kids seeing my wife worry about all this is not nice. I think this is looking at the problem from the wrong perspective. This virus seems horrible. We don't build huge temporary hospitals for fun. They are needed and even with the restrictions may not be enough. So imagine what would have happened if we hadn't put these major restrictions in place? Imagine the impact on public morale and the outcry that would follow. Such a course could have had a much bigger effect on the economy. The direction seems clear. Make sure the NHS can cope by limiting the rate of infection. Protect the most vulnerable until science has delivered protections. Let the economy resume slowly as soon as possible. Some of the demand will still be there, it's just paused whilst everyone takes an early holiday. That's not to minimise the impact which seems certain to be significant. I think the media have generally behaved very responsibly. I don't think anyone with any responsibility for taking these decisions could have done anything different. It was the only real choice.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Apr 20 8.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I haven't seen too many Police in my 'Neck of the woods' but my residence is not in a town and perhaps they are more visible in those areas. Each day, I stroll along the beach which has been virtually deserted and those that are on it are spaced well apart. On the roads near the beach, people are very sensible and ensure that they keep their distance, sometimes walking in the road or even crossing over to the other side. But if people drive to the beach or an area the risk of an accident is there needing the emergency services. That would be one consideration in going too far for your exercise. The other being if you get lost in your enjoyment you will lose your awareness of the distancing rules. That isnt to be patronising it's just us as people. If people stay local going by foot then less chance of an accident and possibly more awareness to keep the distance. One mistake and any one could be toast. It would also be sensible to realise many of us could have C19 and be infectious without knowing so. That is not fair to either party.
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Stirlingsays 03 Apr 20 8.07pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Death rates would be huge without firstly stopping the spread and without hospital assistance bodies would be piling up on the streets,in front rooms,in bedrooms etc. Ventilators only buy the time for the body to fight the infection. There is no cure apart from us. This weekend will put death rates up in two to three weeks. The police need to be firm to protect the less ignorant and arrogant. Just my take Cryrst but why do you think that? There are countries more densely populated which aren't economically locked down to this degree with far fewer deaths with the virus active. Sars was big news one year, still has no vaccine and no one talks about it....flu kills thousands every year. As was linked to earlier in the thread there are plenty of medical professionals who disagree with this approach. But their voices are largely being ignored by the media....I wonder why. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2020 8.08pm)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 20 8.14pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
But if people drive to the beach or an area the risk of an accident is there needing the emergency services. That would be one consideration in going too far for your exercise. The other being if you get lost in your enjoyment you will lose your awareness of the distancing rules. That isnt to be patronising it's just us as people. If people stay local going by foot then less chance of an accident and possibly more awareness to keep the distance. One mistake and any one could be toast. It would also be sensible to realise many of us could have C19 and be infectious without knowing so. That is not fair to either party. In my 'Neck of the woods' there are some salubrious private estates whose houses either back on to the beach or are in close or relatively close proximity to the beach. There are people who reside here who leave their abodes and walk,often with dogs, and leave their impressive looking vehicles at home.I re-iterate that those who live down my way are very conscious of social-distancing.
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BlueJay UK 03 Apr 20 8.14pm | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Been reading through this thread and to be honest has lightened my day, I’m lucky.... I work as manager of betting shop (non essential so closed) but I’m on full pay, but sitting here with my wife and kids seeing my wife worry about all this is not nice. You make a valid and important point when you say that we really don't know how many people have or have had covid-19. An infrequently highlighted point though is that although it mostly affects the elderly and vulnerable, around a third of those in serious condition are under 45. This just so happens to also be the group that often survives a week or two on ventilation. Consequently there's no shocking front and centre stat. No matter how many people have had this coronavirus clearly vast numbers haven't. If they simply carried on as normal at this time, countless people of no great age would end up dead due to the health service being overwhelmed. The lockdown, for now at least makes sense and buys us valuable time. Edited by BlueJay (03 Apr 2020 8.17pm)
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SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 03 Apr 20 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think this is looking at the problem from the wrong perspective. This virus seems horrible. We don't build huge temporary hospitals for fun. They are needed and even with the restrictions may not be enough. So imagine what would have happened if we hadn't put these major restrictions in place? Imagine the impact on public morale and the outcry that would follow. Such a course could have had a much bigger effect on the economy. The direction seems clear. Make sure the NHS can cope by limiting the rate of infection. Protect the most vulnerable until science has delivered protections. Let the economy resume slowly as soon as possible. Some of the demand will still be there, it's just paused whilst everyone takes an early holiday. That's not to minimise the impact which seems certain to be significant. I think the media have generally behaved very responsibly. I don't think anyone with any responsibility for taking these decisions could have done anything different. It was the only real choice. No I totally agree with you about the public outrage if we hadn’t have locked down , but who was pushing for it? The press, every press conference they were saying this countries done that this countries done that, they couldn’t wait to have their little red banner saying “government order: stay at home” on sky news!
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