It is the language of defeatism!

We are where we are and not where we might have been.

Of course the battle was "avoidable" if we had taken another course. Pretty much every battle is the same, especially if you run away from them.

We didn't take another course though. Whatever the reasons were for that is now irrelevant and bitching about it won't change anything.

No-one is "allowing the country to be invaded"! There are very strict immigration controls in place that I can personally testify have markedly increased in complexity in recent years. Illegal immigration remains a challenging problem. Family member immigration is also a tricky area.

So if the battle must be fought then we need to fight it and not just complain that we don't have the resources to win. We need to find modern weapons and use them with skill and patience.

Sitting in the trenches moaning that the commanders don't have a clue what they are doing has been the province of the foot soldier since wars began. That's why they are foot soldiers and not commanders.

We do already stop immigration that isn't necessary! If we stop free movement after Brexit then for sure less from Eastern Europe will arrive but I suspect that will mean that more from other places will, to replace them, and they are more likely to be Islamic than those from Europe. Asylum seekers from war zones will continue to arrive too.

One problem is the family members of those already here. It's pretty much impossible to find legal ways to restrict such immigration.

There already are requirements on people being able to speak English, both for their original entry visa, to be granted further leave to remain after 30 months, and an even tougher one after 5 years for the indefinite leave to remain, plus a "Life in the UK" test. These things exist, so why they aren't working and what we need to do to improve things are the real questions.

I agree that no-one should get away with breaking any law, including using hate speech. Deportation is though not always an option because of the state of the countries involved. It's very easy to recommend it but much harder to actually accomplish.

Where I agree is in the schools. We need to work with community leaders so that they can explain things. We need to train teachers from Islamic backgrounds but who have embraced western culture. If we concentrate on the girls first they will relish the freedoms it brings them and fight to hold onto them. Then the men will fall into line, so as to avoid losing their women. Just my ideas.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today (ah ah ah)
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need…

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today (ah ah ah)
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need…

Pretty song but in actual fact I don't agree with too many of the sentiments, other than wanting all religions to whither and die.

Your troll suggests I move to Savile Town. I am quite content where I am and perfectly able to judge things from here. When you stand away from a wall you generally can see more of it than just one brick.

I have often wondered why the moaners and groaners don't move themselves. The countryside is lovely. I moved out of London years ago, simply because I could not afford to buy a property there.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Jul 2019 4.09pm)

Where is this patience when it comes to Robinson and his supporters? Surely all you need to do is sit them down and give them a firm talking to and they’ll see you, of course, were right all along.