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leifandersonshair Newport 15 Jun 16 9.03pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall I'd imagine the overwhelming majority acknowledge the implications and are will to accept the risks Really? I'd imagine plenty of those voting Leave are doing so solely because of immigration, and have little or no understanding of the likely consequences, economic or otherwise. Certainly some I know. You could get the Queen, the Pope and Bob Geldof to swear that an Out vote would result in England sinking in to the sea, and they'd still just sniff, 'too many johnny foreigners, innit' and vote Out anyway.
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Originally posted by johnfirewall

I'd imagine the overwhelming majority acknowledge the implications and are will to accept the risks

Really? I'd imagine plenty of those voting Leave are doing so solely because of immigration, and have little or no understanding of the likely consequences, economic or otherwise. Certainly some I know.

You could get the Queen, the Pope and Bob Geldof to swear that an Out vote would result in England sinking in to the sea, and they'd still just sniff, 'too many johnny foreigners, innit' and vote Out anyway.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jun 16 9.09pm
Originally posted by leifandersonshair Really? I'd imagine plenty of those voting Leave are doing so solely because of immigration, and have little or no understanding of the likely consequences, economic or otherwise. Certainly some I know. You could get the Queen, the Pope and Bob Geldof to swear that an Out vote would result in England sinking in to the sea, and they'd still just sniff, 'too many johnny foreigners, innit' and vote Out anyway. The 3 most credible economic and political commentators known for their predictions of economic crises. COYP
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Caterham 15 Jun 16 9.09pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

You could get the Queen, the Pope and Bob Geldof to swear that an Out vote would result in England sinking in to the sea, and they'd still just sniff, 'too many johnny foreigners, innit' and vote Out anyway.

The 3 most credible economic and political commentators known for their predictions of economic crises.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Jun 16 9.29pm
Originally posted by leifandersonshair Really? I'd imagine plenty of those voting Leave are doing so solely because of immigration, and have little or no understanding of the likely consequences, economic or otherwise. Certainly some I know. You could get the Queen, the Pope and Bob Geldof to swear that an Out vote would result in England sinking in to the sea, and they'd still just sniff, 'too many johnny foreigners, innit' and vote Out anyway. Classic error: underestimating the intelligence of those who hold an opposing view. However, there is a tsunami of scum requiring removal that, sadly, not even Brexit will satisfactorily address. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 15 Jun 16 9.29pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Classic error: underestimating the intelligence of those who hold an opposing view.

However, there is a tsunami of scum requiring removal that, sadly, not even Brexit will satisfactorily address.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 9.45pm
Here's where I stand with one week to go, I'm still undecided btw. Leave: Immigration doesn't bother me. Nation states are (albeit hundreds of years old) a social construct with many national boundaries in a lot of cases being arbitrarily drawn up - post wwi, wwii and dissolution of the soviet union for example. People can be great or they can be tossers wherever they are from. What disturbs me most about the EU is the fact that although mep's have the power to vote for or veto laws / rules that an unelected commission decides, it's more than likely that the members of the commission are being swayed by big business and corporate lobbyists. This helps a neoliberal agenda along. As said on the radio earlier 2 thirds of our fishing quotas in the uk have gone to only 3 companies leaving small fishing business fighting for only 1 third of the quota. We've also seen foreign companies running many of our services that have been privatised. This is down to successive UK governments as well as the EU. But, if we do leave we are left with the likes of Gove (get control of our country back - he said this at least 25 times in question time tonight), Bj and IDS running the show. Some of the brexiters have admitted they will slash worker rights, which the EU does offer. What also makes me suspicious is the support for Brexit from many newspapers, whose owners don't even live here. Conversely if we stay it gives the EU the impression they can carry on as normal. If we stay, at least we have 'the devil we know'. There is a small chance that we may obtain change from within - although this to my mind though would need a left of centre government (bearing in mind the centre is further to the right than say 20 years ago) which given the negative, one-sided press we have in the Uk is going to be difficult to achieve. I cannot trust Farage Boris IDS and Co to look after our best interests particularly with their track record thus far. I also appreciate that operating within a larger trading block gives us many advantages. The factor of the unknown should we leave is very disconcerting. Whilst I appreciate it's very difficult to ascertain / predict what will happen, with all the BS from both sides. I've got a feeling we shall be hearing from our friends in the EU before polling starts .
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 9.45pm

Here's where I stand with one week to go, I'm still undecided btw.

Leave: Immigration doesn't bother me. Nation states are (albeit hundreds of years old) a social construct with many national boundaries in a lot of cases being arbitrarily drawn up - post wwi, wwii and dissolution of the soviet union for example. People can be great or they can be tossers wherever they are from. What disturbs me most about the EU is the fact that although mep's have the power to vote for or veto laws / rules that an unelected commission decides, it's more than likely that the members of the commission are being swayed by big business and corporate lobbyists. This helps a neoliberal agenda along.
As said on the radio earlier 2 thirds of our fishing quotas in the uk have gone to only 3 companies leaving small fishing business fighting for only 1 third of the quota.
We've also seen foreign companies running many of our services that have been privatised. This is down to successive UK governments as well as the EU.

But, if we do leave we are left with the likes of Gove (get control of our country back - he said this at least 25 times in question time tonight), Bj and IDS running the show. Some of the brexiters have admitted they will slash worker rights, which the EU does offer. What also makes me suspicious is the support for Brexit from many newspapers, whose owners don't even live here.

Conversely if we stay it gives the EU the impression they can carry on as normal.

If we stay, at least we have 'the devil we know'. There is a small chance that we may obtain change from within - although this to my mind though would need a left of centre government (bearing in mind the centre is further to the right than say 20 years ago) which given the negative, one-sided press we have in the Uk is going to be difficult to achieve.
I cannot trust Farage Boris IDS and Co to look after our best interests particularly with their track record thus far.
I also appreciate that operating within a larger trading block gives us many advantages. The factor of the unknown should we leave is very disconcerting. Whilst I appreciate it's very difficult to ascertain / predict what will happen, with all the BS from both sides.

I've got a feeling we shall be hearing from our friends in the EU before polling starts .

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jun 16 10.13pm
Originally posted by nickgusset If we stay, at least we have 'the devil we know'. There is a small chance that we may obtain change from within - although this to my mind though would need a left of centre government (bearing in mind the centre is further to the right than say 20 years ago) which given the negative, one-sided press we have in the Uk is going to be difficult to achieve. I cannot trust Farage Boris IDS and Co to look after our best interests particularly with their track record thus far. I've got a feeling we shall be hearing from our friends in the EU before polling starts . Miniscule chance. One of 28 has no say. Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain. Cameron and the EU will be even more desperate. British people don't like being told what to do or fee being pressured and definitely not by Europeans, and European politician are even worse. 11/8 and shortening. COYP
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Caterham 15 Jun 16 10.13pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If we stay, at least we have 'the devil we know'. There is a small chance that we may obtain change from within - although this to my mind though would need a left of centre government (bearing in mind the centre is further to the right than say 20 years ago) which given the negative, one-sided press we have in the Uk is going to be difficult to achieve.
I cannot trust Farage Boris IDS and Co to look after our best interests particularly with their track record thus far.

I've got a feeling we shall be hearing from our friends in the EU before polling starts .

Miniscule chance. One of 28 has no say. Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.

Cameron and the EU will be even more desperate. British people don't like being told what to do or fee being pressured and definitely not by Europeans, and European politician are even worse.

11/8 and shortening.

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 10.24pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Miniscule chance. One of 28 has no say. Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain. Cameron and the EU will be even more desperate. British people don't like being told what to do or fee being pressured and definitely not by Europeans, and European politician are even worse. 11/8 and shortening. Ad I said immigration isn't the main issue for me. Right wing nationalism however is
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 10.24pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Miniscule chance. One of 28 has no say. Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.

Cameron and the EU will be even more desperate. British people don't like being told what to do or fee being pressured and definitely not by Europeans, and European politician are even worse.

11/8 and shortening.

Ad I said immigration isn't the main issue for me.

Right wing nationalism however is

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jun 16 10.49pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Ad I said immigration isn't the main issue for me. Right wing nationalism however is I thought you might say that after the sentence I typed. 'Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.' - The migrate to Britain is a result of the several nations about to join and is what I and many many people are thinking. Stig Abel on Sky News Press Preview has said exactly what I said in answer to your post about being told and being pressured when the remain camp has valid points about potential shocks to the economy but are making a shambles of their message. COYP
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Caterham 15 Jun 16 10.49pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Ad I said immigration isn't the main issue for me.

Right wing nationalism however is

I thought you might say that after the sentence I typed.

'Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.' - The migrate to Britain is a result of the several nations about to join and is what I and many many people are thinking.

Stig Abel on Sky News Press Preview has said exactly what I said in answer to your post about being told and being pressured when the remain camp has valid points about potential shocks to the economy but are making a shambles of their message.

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 10.53pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I thought you might say that after the sentence I typed. 'Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.' - The migrate to Britain is a result of the several nations about to join and is what I and many many people are thinking. Stig Abel on Sky News Press Preview has said exactly what I said in answer to your post about being told and being pressured when the remain camp has valid points about potential shocks to the economy but are making a shambles of their message. I meant in the sense of the right wing nationalism happening across swathes of europe.
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 10.53pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I thought you might say that after the sentence I typed.

'Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.' - The migrate to Britain is a result of the several nations about to join and is what I and many many people are thinking.

I meant in the sense of the right wing nationalism happening across swathes of europe.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 10.59pm
Gotta chuckle at those Britain first wallies... [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 10.59pm

Gotta chuckle at those Britain first wallies...

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jun 16 11.01pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I meant in the sense of the right wing nationalism happening across swathes of europe. Yes that could contribute to the break up of the EU but it'll only be a factor. Merkel has some blame to take inviting all refugees to Germany via several countries along the way without any consultation. France has created its own problem with North African/African immigration and Islamic ghettos. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 15 Jun 16 11.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I meant in the sense of the right wing nationalism happening across swathes of europe.

Yes that could contribute to the break up of the EU but it'll only be a factor. Merkel has some blame to take inviting all refugees to Germany via several countries along the way without any consultation.

France has created its own problem with North African/African immigration and Islamic ghettos.

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 11.08pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes that could contribute to the break up of the EU but it'll only be a factor. Merkel has some blame to take inviting all refugees to Germany via several countries along the way without any consultation. France has created its own problem with North African/African immigration and Islamic ghettos. I don't know,but are many of the French immigrants from former French colonies?
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Shizzlehurst 15 Jun 16 11.08pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

France has created its own problem with North African/African immigration and Islamic ghettos.

I don't know,but are many of the French immigrants from former French colonies?

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