When you see them abroad, they are not average Russians. They are part of the rich elite which makes up a tiny minority of the country. They treat everyone like crap because that’s what they are allowed to get away with at home. They give it the big ‘un when they are out until you square up to them and then all of a sudden they can speak English and attempt to talk their way out of it.

My lasting impression of my visit to Moscow, apart from being followed everywhere because I was with my high ranking treasury official mate and the Night Flight nightclub (interesting place!), was that you either drive a Bentley or a Trabant. There doesn’t seem to be much in the middle.

Those who have, do what they want, those who don’t, really do not have much of an existence.

Don’t really like them as a people, certainly the least friendly I’ve ever come across.

Here is an image showing a more realistic picture of where the world is in regards to this war.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No, I fundamentally disagree with that.

A war crime is a war crime and I reject your mitigations. We are not talking about edge cases here. There is a reason a Geneva convention exits and that doesn't just apply to troops belonging to the side you agree with.

Said with absolutely no evidence at all.....complete waffle.

At no point have I supported Putin's Russia as some kind of 'better' in this war, but this doesn't seem to have filtered through to you.

You have previously said on Hol that you take in different perspectives in media....but I think reading your takes, both on Covid and now this war I think I can realistically call that as a bluff. I don't actually think you do. Both instances saw you as pretty much a mainstream narrative supporter.

It's kind of irritating to be called anti western by a centralist/leftist. I'm very much pro western, but that's its people not its self interested elites. I'm against decisions that harm my people. I don't sit upon some lofty moralistic mountain like you pretending that 'the right thing' (whatever that is) ultimately wins out. No, I care about doing the least amount of harm to those I care about.

What you can say about me is that I don't automatically trust my own media anymore....that is a fair statement. Seemingly unlike you I do take in more than one perspective but I don't trust those either, however it allows me to reach more of a realistic position rather than being a cheer leader for one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2022 1.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

My post was quite reasonable, but you seem to be in 'act up' mode. Fair enough. If you want to branch out into every topic under the sun so be it.

As soon as I was legally able to get out and about again during covid, I can very much assure you that I took full advantage of that. The perpetual barrage at my covid stance seemed to mainly relate to the fact that I didn't think that the vaccine was 'dangerous' in comparison to it not being an option. I wasn't in favour in anything beyond the first lockdown, and didn't support kids getting vaccinated (unless there was a pressing need and they are their parents agreed).

So that's that done.

Who's 'your people' today then? White English? I mean with your positive attitudes towards groups that wish to deport non white British born individuals, it's certainly not other races is it? But what about white English of other sexualities who you deem to be 'degenerates' and 'f@ggots', routinely insulting members of your own family in the process (again). I'll avoid getting into disability as a topic but essentially it echoes the above. You don't seem to find much kinship with those white English on the left and centre, politically shunning the likes of Maples kind offers. The list goes on.. You care about 'doing the least amount of harm to those you care about'? Yeah right, you care about having the loudest voice in the room and being seen as more intrinsically valuable or entitled than others based on nothing. You're happy to do the opposite of care if that dynamic is unsettled.

Getting drawn in by Kremlin seeded Tucker Carlson propaganda and the like. You can paint your stance as 'realistic' all you want, and do down others, but you're mistaken. You've just becoming detached from your own country on multiple fronts in some profound sense and so have more time for 'foreign' sources. I don't sit upon on a moral mountain at all, I just interact with enough people to know how to treat my countrymen regardless of colour, and creed and I elevate and support my family rather than do them down. It's not that hard. I love my country, for all that is it. I don't need to take a time machine back 50 or 60 years to appreciate it. You absolutely praise aspects of Russia, Hungary and the likes more than you ever do the West and seem affronted by the acknowledgement of current facts on the ground in Ukraine. Undermining what is happening to its people. I'm not going to sugarcoat Russia's conduct; I'll leave that to you.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Apr 2022 3.01pm)

Yes, we both had the same position on lockdown.....and yes, you weren't a vocal supporter of kids being vaccinated. However, I was a far far louder critic of that. You would let WE support this position multiple times without ever countering it for example.....now I'm not saying you should attack your own side but personally I didn't regard covid as a political topic..

You also seemed to attack anyone who wished to raise doubts or skepticism. Over heart inflammation for example, when I raised that as a particular concern you posted to cast doubt on the concern.....subsequently I think events have rather weighed in my favour.

I'd imagine the number of non white people calling themselves English is pretty low. Regardless, my people are English/British/European in degrees of concern. After that it extends out to the rest of humanity.

You and your obsession with introducing PA into any topic you can.

I am not an egalitarian like you....I see the harm that has done to the west. However, it is not true to say that I have no care for other races.

We are all humans and I support social conservatives of any race. That however does not mean that I support my land being turned into a global village because egalitarians would feel better about themselves.

I'm quite happy calling you a fag and a degenerate if it equals it up for you. I'll say what I like about who I like. I notice you were quite happy to refer to dying people as 'prats' so I'll take no lectures from the likes of you on appropriate language.

Is that so? Well, I quite like Silvertop and as for Maple, I wouldn't say I'd shunned him.....Kinship? That's a bit gay isn't it? These are political discussions over text, not a fellowship.
I'm happy to converse with those on the left. I tend to talk to anyone rational regardless of political position as that's a fundamental of free speech.

I think this is you being so thin skinned on pushback that you come out with hyperbolic nonsense.

In your emotive ranty mind it does.

I think perhaps this says more about your insecurity than anything to do with how I see myself.

I agree with most of what Carlson thinks, yes that's accurate. I agree with most of what Orban thinks as well. The fact that you think that's 'Kermlin seeded' makes me laugh. As if being around and seeing actual events in history is 'Kermlin seeded'.

I'll do you the service of saying that I think you believe those things.

Personally I don't think a commitment to objectivity and the truth is being anything other than adhering to the best western principles.

I praise social conservatism that's true....apparently that should only relate to my own country now.

To say I have 'sugarcoated' Russia's conduct, which I have criticised, is just more emotive and inaccurate comment.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Doesn't sound like they'll forget you in a hurry .