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  georgenorman  16 Feb 23 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
It's admittedly OTT, but it's hardly going well so far now, is it. I said I'd wait a few years to start thinking about making judgement, and here we are a few years in and, well, it's not going well. Time to turn it around, but not an exponential amount. The current economic situation has very little to do with Brexit. How different would it be if we were still in the EU?
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Feb 23 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The current economic situation has very little to do with Brexit. How different would it be if we were still in the EU? That's one to research, not to lean back on knee-jerk determinism I'd be surprised if it's had little effect based on all the financial and economic statistics directly relatable to leaving. I didn't say it's the only reason for our current predicament, but it's arguably a significant contributor/amplifier of our current woes. My view of Brexit has always been short to medium term negative impact, long term positive. We're nowhere near medium term yet and perhaps that viewpoint is beginning to reveal itself as overly optimistic. Just because we can make our own laws and bring immigration down (yet to happen) now doesn't equate to financial and economic prosperity. Far too simplistic and introverted a view for a massively complex issue
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| georgenorman 16 Feb 23 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
That's one to research, not to lean back on knee-jerk determinism I'd be surprised if it's had little effect based on all the financial and economic statistics directly relatable to leaving. I didn't say it's the only reason for our current predicament, but it's arguably a significant contributor/amplifier of our current woes. My view of Brexit has always been short to medium term negative impact, long term positive. We're nowhere near medium term yet and perhaps that viewpoint is beginning to reveal itself as overly optimistic. Just because we can make our own laws and bring immigration down (yet to happen) now doesn't equate to financial and economic prosperity. Far too simplistic and introverted a view for a massively complex issue Making our own laws is key to everything.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Feb 23 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The current economic situation has very little to do with Brexit. How different would it be if we were still in the EU? 'Should have gone to specsavers'.
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cryrst  The garden of England 16 Feb 23 6.04pm |
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 16 Feb 23 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Isn't adopting the Euro a prerequisite of joining? In Ireland the Euro currency caused a House-price bubble followed by an 80% house price crash. and it crucified the nation. The Romans crucified Christ , but their army never won a battle in Ireland. And just like the Roman Empire, the EU will fall apart. Rome the EU all the great empires in Europe always fall apart.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Feb 23 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Making our own laws is key to everything. In your opinion, and maybe so. But it’s not a guarantee of success. Quite how anyone can decide that is the case so early and with so much certainty is baffling I can just as much see a world where we end up marginalised and weakened despite our own rampant lawmaking As well as one where we do, eventually (and I mean a long way ahead) end up better than if we’d stayed in Either scenario is possible Also - just because we can make our own laws doesn’t mean we have the political class to take advantage of that fact. And that’s not a valid out - if the dysfunction would have worked better for us in than out, then in we should have stayed
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Feb 23 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
In Ireland the Euro currency caused a House-price bubble followed by an 80% house price crash. and it crucified the nation. The Romans crucified Christ , but their army never won a battle in Ireland. And just like the Roman Empire, the EU will fall apart. Rome the EU all the great empires in Europe always fall apart. *all great empires always fall apart. We are proof of that fact
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| Matov 16 Feb 23 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
A point that has some validity. Because if a Government, elected on the basis of leaving the EU, with a massive majority is still falling back on blaming European institutions then it is clearly not fit for purpose. Not that I see the wider EU establishment as being much better but at least you could argue that those running it do at least have a vision of a kind driving them on. As opposed to our current venal, self-serving political class. I genuinely don't have a clue as to what comes next beyond the fact the the British public have been utterly failed by our collective political class. Even Farage has pissed me off for not taking the helm of the Reform Party.
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| georgenorman 16 Feb 23 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
In your opinion, and maybe so. But it’s not a guarantee of success. Quite how anyone can decide that is the case so early and with so much certainty is baffling I can just as much see a world where we end up marginalised and weakened despite our own rampant lawmaking As well as one where we do, eventually (and I mean a long way ahead) end up better than if we’d stayed in Either scenario is possible Also - just because we can make our own laws doesn’t mean we have the political class to take advantage of that fact. And that’s not a valid out - if the dysfunction would have worked better for us in than out, then in we should have stayed You think the EU does? Edited by georgenorman (16 Feb 2023 9.48pm)
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 16 Feb 23 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
In Ireland the Euro currency caused a House-price bubble followed by an 80% house price crash. and it crucified the nation. The Romans crucified Christ , but their army never won a battle in Ireland. And just like the Roman Empire, the EU will fall apart. Rome the EU all the great empires in Europe always fall apart. I would have the Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians in there as well
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Feb 23 9.14am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Making our own laws is key to everything. It just isn’t! It’s a myth believed by those who see the EU as an overbearing master, when it’s actually a servant. The member countries share common values and similar aspirations. Why then waste time and money by having 27 sets of organisations doing identical work to produce laws and regulations for uncontroversial issues? The Brexiteers continually moan about the cost of the EU whilst no one mentions the savings it produces. How many more civil servants do we need now we have left? When we are short of labour we need those people creating wealth not producing laws. Of course it requires some compromises but that’s just as true if we handle things ourselves.
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