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Crazy_Eagle South London 08 Jun 21 3.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So nations are 'political borders'? What nonsense. You are simply playing word games, the idea that 'kneeling' for 'black lives matter' isn't political is perhaps your opinion. However, that opinion isn't agreed with by many. So you have an impasse. Well, yes nations are formed from of political borders. I fully understand there are varying opinions of what BLM is and whether it's political... but it's the opinion of those 11 players on the pitch, not mine, that count. I'm just supporting that - and I'm just supporting them. R.I.P. DJ Hardline CPFC2010
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Crazy_Eagle

South London 08 Jun 21 3.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So nations are 'political borders'? What nonsense.

You are simply playing word games, the idea that 'kneeling' for 'black lives matter' isn't political is perhaps your opinion. However, that opinion isn't agreed with by many.

So you have an impasse.

Well, yes nations are formed from of political borders.

I fully understand there are varying opinions of what BLM is and whether it's political... but it's the opinion of those 11 players on the pitch, not mine, that count.

I'm just supporting that - and I'm just supporting them.

R.I.P. DJ Hardline

CPFC2010

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Wilesy01 Bristol 08 Jun 21 3.51pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a daft question. The idiots who run football allowed this farce into the game and this is the result. Now members of the media are saying that people who boo need 're educating'. Apparently, it's not political. Is this for real? Not political? Everything is political. This is a bed that the weak minded fools who run football made, and now they will have to lie in it. It has only gone on this long because there have been no crowds. Everyone knows this. What are they even taking a knee for? All I hear is half baked, undefined mumbo jumbo. This whole affair has probably set race relations back years, but the real vitriol should be kept for the liberal elites and their media puppets who have orchestrated the whole thing. Maybe the players just don't like being racially abused and want to make a statement on it? Heck if I got vile messages after every day at work I'd be pretty fed up about it. Everything else in your post, and indeed such sentiments have also been expressed by others on this forum, are projections based on your own beliefs and assumptions. Do you really think Kyle Walker is leafing through the pages of Das Capital and Jude Bellingham is writing a dissertation on Gramski? Some people really need to chill out.
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Wilesy01

Bristol 08 Jun 21 3.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a daft question.

The idiots who run football allowed this farce into the game and this is the result.
Now members of the media are saying that people who boo need 're educating'.

Apparently, it's not political.

Is this for real? Not political? Everything is political.

This is a bed that the weak minded fools who run football made, and now they will have to lie in it. It has only gone on this long because there have been no crowds. Everyone knows this.
What are they even taking a knee for? All I hear is half baked, undefined mumbo jumbo. This whole affair has probably set race relations back years, but the real vitriol should be kept for the liberal elites and their media puppets who have orchestrated the whole thing.

Maybe the players just don't like being racially abused and want to make a statement on it? Heck if I got vile messages after every day at work I'd be pretty fed up about it.

Everything else in your post, and indeed such sentiments have also been expressed by others on this forum, are projections based on your own beliefs and assumptions. Do you really think Kyle Walker is leafing through the pages of Das Capital and Jude Bellingham is writing a dissertation on Gramski?

Some people really need to chill out.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jun 21 3.56pm
Originally posted by Crazy_Eagle Well, yes nations are formed from of political borders. I fully understand there are varying opinions of what BLM is and whether it's political... but it's the opinion of those 11 players on the pitch, not mine, that count. I'm just supporting that - and I'm just supporting them. Arguing about whether borders are political is just a red herring that you introduced. It is irrelevant. People do this when they have no proper argument. It doesn't matter why players are doing it. Their judgement is not the defining wisdom. If they don't want their own fans to boo them then the simple answer is to stop taking the knee. If they wish to persist with this expression, eagerly encouraged by the liberal elite lead media, then they must expect a similar expression of freedom known as booing. The idea that football supporters would just accept this intrusion into their leisure activity without a whimper is truly laughable. The puppet media do not represent real public attitudes. They are agenda driven entities whose employees say what they are told to say and encourage those with self interest to feel justified in parroting the mantra.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Eagle

Well, yes nations are formed from of political borders.

I fully understand there are varying opinions of what BLM is and whether it's political... but it's the opinion of those 11 players on the pitch, not mine, that count.

I'm just supporting that - and I'm just supporting them.

Arguing about whether borders are political is just a red herring that you introduced. It is irrelevant.

People do this when they have no proper argument.

It doesn't matter why players are doing it. Their judgement is not the defining wisdom.
If they don't want their own fans to boo them then the simple answer is to stop taking the knee.
If they wish to persist with this expression, eagerly encouraged by the liberal elite lead media, then they must expect a similar expression of freedom known as booing.
The idea that football supporters would just accept this intrusion into their leisure activity without a whimper is truly laughable. The puppet media do not represent real public attitudes. They are agenda driven entities whose employees say what they are told to say and encourage those with self interest to feel justified in parroting the mantra.

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Crazy_Eagle South London 08 Jun 21 3.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Arguing about whether borders are political is just a red herring that you introduced. It is irrelevant. People do this when they have no proper argument. It doesn't matter why players are doing it. Their judgement is not the defining wisdom. If they don't want their own fans to boo them then the simple answer is to stop taking the knee. If they wish to persist with this expression, eagerly encouraged by the liberal elite lead media, then they must expect a similar expression of freedom known as booing. The idea that football supporters would just accept this intrusion into their leisure activity without a whimper is truly laughable. The puppet media do not represent real public attitudes. They are agenda driven entities whose employees say what they are told to say and encourage those with self interest to feel justified in parroting the mantra. Therein lies the problem R.I.P. DJ Hardline CPFC2010
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Crazy_Eagle

South London 08 Jun 21 3.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Arguing about whether borders are political is just a red herring that you introduced. It is irrelevant.

People do this when they have no proper argument.

It doesn't matter why players are doing it. Their judgement is not the defining wisdom.
If they don't want their own fans to boo them then the simple answer is to stop taking the knee.
If they wish to persist with this expression, eagerly encouraged by the liberal elite lead media, then they must expect a similar expression of freedom known as booing.
The idea that football supporters would just accept this intrusion into their leisure activity without a whimper is truly laughable. The puppet media do not represent real public attitudes. They are agenda driven entities whose employees say what they are told to say and encourage those with self interest to feel justified in parroting the mantra.

Therein lies the problem

R.I.P. DJ Hardline

CPFC2010

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jun 21 4.03pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Maybe the players just don't like being racially abused and want to make a statement on it? Heck if I got vile messages after every day at work I'd be pretty fed up about it. Everything else in your post, and indeed such sentiments have also been expressed by others on this forum, are projections based on your own beliefs and assumptions. Do you really think Kyle Walker is leafing through the pages of Das Capital and Jude Bellingham is writing a dissertation on Gramski? Some people really need to chill out. So taking the knee is now about on line racial abuse? How much abuse did players get online before Sky Sports started their insidious campaign? Does anyone ever remember anyone so much as mentioning online abuse? Sorry. Not buying that one. As far as Marxism is concerned. If people wished to avoid that accusation then they shouldn't have plastered BLM all over football grounds and shown support for BLM, a Marxist organisation. The word own goal has never been so appropriate.
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Hrolf The Ganger

08 Jun 21 4.03pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Maybe the players just don't like being racially abused and want to make a statement on it? Heck if I got vile messages after every day at work I'd be pretty fed up about it.

Some people really need to chill out.

So taking the knee is now about on line racial abuse?
How much abuse did players get online before Sky Sports started their insidious campaign?
Does anyone ever remember anyone so much as mentioning online abuse?

Sorry. Not buying that one.
As far as Marxism is concerned. If people wished to avoid that accusation then they shouldn't have plastered BLM all over football grounds and shown support for BLM, a Marxist organisation.

The word own goal has never been so appropriate.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jun 21 4.06pm
Originally posted by Crazy_Eagle Therein lies the problem You are just talking in riddles. What matters is the reality of introducing politics into football.
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08 Jun 21 4.06pm

Originally posted by Crazy_Eagle

Therein lies the problem

You are just talking in riddles.

What matters is the reality of introducing politics into football.

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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 4.09pm
Originally posted by Crazy_Eagle Well, yes nations are formed from of political borders. I fully understand there are varying opinions of what BLM is and whether it's political... but it's the opinion of those 11 players on the pitch, not mine, that count. I'm just supporting that - and I'm just supporting them. If everyone can express their position I don't really have any issues. People can attack and people can defend....as long as that's the case then it's healthy in a sense. I don't think this situation helps, but if this is what is wanted then I guess it'll continue. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2021 4.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Jun 21 4.09pm

Originally posted by Crazy_Eagle

Well, yes nations are formed from of political borders.

I fully understand there are varying opinions of what BLM is and whether it's political... but it's the opinion of those 11 players on the pitch, not mine, that count.

I'm just supporting that - and I'm just supporting them.

If everyone can express their position I don't really have any issues. People can attack and people can defend....as long as that's the case then it's healthy in a sense.

I don't think this situation helps, but if this is what is wanted then I guess it'll continue.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2021 4.11pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Jun 21 4.10pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer Hello Mapletree. Me again, that bloke from Midhurst. I moved here to be close to my daughter and family in my dotage, not because I don't like London. Was born in Wallington and worked many years in Croydon. My wife lived in Copers Cope Road and we were married in the church you often see from the training ground. I didn't expect to end up here, but life sometimes turns up the unexpected. Just wanted to say. Wallington is good Being near your children is good, especially for grandchildren. I always maintain our parents' generation was especially selfish and we had no help at all despite having three children under three. Beckenham is good Midhurst is good. There is a but. So much of the fear and loathing I see on this site (is it indicative of a broader feeling?) is because people don't see others that are 'different' very much. As such they fear them and can't empathise well. Maybe you do have young, black, working class friends. If so, you really should ask them how they feel. Getting under-estimated, checked on, feeling a lack of trust. It is very real to most minorities but especially to black people. And also, few people can differentiate between a Zambian and a Nigerian, a Jamaican and a Trinidadian. They are such different people but they all get lumped together.
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Mapletree

Croydon 08 Jun 21 4.10pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Hello Mapletree. Me again, that bloke from Midhurst. I moved here to be close to my daughter and family in my dotage, not because I don't like London.

Was born in Wallington and worked many years in Croydon. My wife lived in Copers Cope Road and we were married in the church you often see from the training ground.

I didn't expect to end up here, but life sometimes turns up the unexpected.

Just wanted to say.

Wallington is good

Being near your children is good, especially for grandchildren. I always maintain our parents' generation was especially selfish and we had no help at all despite having three children under three.

Beckenham is good

Midhurst is good. There is a but. So much of the fear and loathing I see on this site (is it indicative of a broader feeling?) is because people don't see others that are 'different' very much.

As such they fear them and can't empathise well.

Maybe you do have young, black, working class friends. If so, you really should ask them how they feel. Getting under-estimated, checked on, feeling a lack of trust. It is very real to most minorities but especially to black people.

And also, few people can differentiate between a Zambian and a Nigerian, a Jamaican and a Trinidadian. They are such different people but they all get lumped together.

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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 4.15pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Maybe you do have young, black, working class friends. If so, you really should ask them how they feel. Getting under-estimated, checked on, feeling a lack of trust. It is very real to most minorities but especially to black people. And also, few people can differentiate between a Zambian and a Nigerian, a Jamaican and a Trinidadian. They are such different people but they all get lumped together. 'We are the world We are the children We are the ones who make a brighter day So just start giving' Oh brother, why don't these guys just start their own church and be done with it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 4.15pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

And also, few people can differentiate between a Zambian and a Nigerian, a Jamaican and a Trinidadian. They are such different people but they all get lumped together.

'We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So just start giving'

Oh brother, why don't these guys just start their own church and be done with it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Crazy_Eagle South London 08 Jun 21 4.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are just talking in riddles. What matters is the reality of introducing politics into football. You said "It doesn't matter why players are doing it" I've just said that's part of the problem. Where's the riddle? Edited by Crazy_Eagle (08 Jun 2021 4.16pm) R.I.P. DJ Hardline CPFC2010
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Crazy_Eagle

South London 08 Jun 21 4.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are just talking in riddles.

What matters is the reality of introducing politics into football.

You said "It doesn't matter why players are doing it"

I've just said that's part of the problem.

Where's the riddle?

Edited by Crazy_Eagle (08 Jun 2021 4.16pm)

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Wilesy01 Bristol 08 Jun 21 4.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So taking the knee is now about on line racial abuse? How much abuse did players get online before Sky Sports started their insidious campaign? Does anyone ever remember anyone so much as mentioning online abuse? Sorry. Not buying that one. As far as Marxism is concerned. If people wished to avoid that accusation then they shouldn't have plastered BLM all over football grounds and shown support for BLM, a Marxist organisation. The word own goal has never been so appropriate. This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online. Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda. Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.
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Bristol 08 Jun 21 4.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The word own goal has never been so appropriate.

This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online.

Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda.

Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 4.29pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online. Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda. Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Up is down, left is right....words become meaningless. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 4.29pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online.

Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda.

Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Up is down, left is right....words become meaningless.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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