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serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Oct 18 10.03am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think it's possible that the US could be heading for a split based upon racial lines.....at some point within a generation. You'll have black, white and mixed states. The unifying figures in public life don't really exist now and the fault lines are probably too deep to rectify. The identity politics game from post modernism was a disaster to start but now it's out of the bottle... Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Oct 2018 9.31pm) America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged. I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working. It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think it's possible that the US could be heading for a split based upon racial lines.....at some point within a generation.

You'll have black, white and mixed states.

The unifying figures in public life don't really exist now and the fault lines are probably too deep to rectify.

The identity politics game from post modernism was a disaster to start but now it's out of the bottle...

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Oct 2018 9.31pm)

America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged.

I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working.

It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 18 10.53am
Originally posted by serial thriller America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged. I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working. It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not? Self interest as always. Black people have not done well in the game of empires. In the modern world, they have been the losers. It is hardly surprising then that as a minority in any country, they group together to fight their corner and press for a better existence. Anyone who thinks they are hard done by at the hands of the ruling class does the same. Sadly, what many on the Left don't see is that the class that rules us all is using identity politics to undermine us all. Mass immigration and the undermining of nationalism is part of that process. Divide and conquer and all that. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Oct 2018 11.06am)
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Originally posted by serial thriller

America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged.

It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not?

Self interest as always. Black people have not done well in the game of empires. In the modern world, they have been the losers. It is hardly surprising then that as a minority in any country, they group together to fight their corner and press for a better existence.

Anyone who thinks they are hard done by at the hands of the ruling class does the same.
Sadly, what many on the Left don't see is that the class that rules us all is using identity politics to undermine us all. Mass immigration and the undermining of nationalism is part of that process. Divide and conquer and all that.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 30 Oct 18 11.49am
Originally posted by .TUX. Very possibly judging by this interview from the w'end. I don't know how this hasn't been splashed all over the front-pages tbh. Trump's got to go! [Link] Yeah I saw that too. Forget Trump, can you imagine if any Republican had said that? I couldn't see the story on the BBC... Hillary Clinton also called African-American youth "superpredators" in a 1996 speech. The response is deafening... Edited by Penge Eagle (30 Oct 2018 11.50am)
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Originally posted by .TUX.

Very possibly judging by this interview from the w'end. I don't know how this hasn't been splashed all over the front-pages tbh. Trump's got to go!

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Yeah I saw that too. Forget Trump, can you imagine if any Republican had said that? I couldn't see the story on the BBC...

Hillary Clinton also called African-American youth "superpredators" in a 1996 speech. The response is deafening...

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 1.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Self interest as always. Black people have not done well in the game of empires. In the modern world, they have been the losers. It is hardly surprising then that as a minority in any country, they group together to fight their corner and press for a better existence. Anyone who thinks they are hard done by at the hands of the ruling class does the same. Sadly, what many on the Left don't see is that the class that rules us all is using identity politics to undermine us all. Mass immigration and the undermining of nationalism is part of that process. Divide and conquer and all that. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Oct 2018 11.06am) Yep....it's the left....and those on the right who care more about the short term than the future of their country. If Europeans went to pakistan and took over their towns it would be called colonialism. When it happens in reverse it's called diversity. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 1.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Oct 18 1.37pm

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Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Oct 2018 11.06am)

Yep....it's the left....and those on the right who care more about the short term than the future of their country.

If Europeans went to pakistan and took over their towns it would be called colonialism. When it happens in reverse it's called diversity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 1.38pm)

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 1.49pm
Originally posted by serial thriller America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged. I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working. It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not? The split in the US will probably happen far quicker than elsewhere.....Yes I agree, in some areas the split will require less chaos than in others. I can see this happening though. The reason that these problems aren't on the same scale in Britain is purely down to numbers....in the US only 63 percent are of European heritage....here it's about 85 percent.....as that number goes down in the UK we will, on average, become more and more divided....of course we will still have liars claiming otherwise out of ideology. Also, to answer your question why people insist upon equating their race to identity.....well, firstly that's the majority...not all....a minority don't..and an even larger number lie about it...or refuse to think about it....and that minority will probably be those who exist in the probable mixed states of the future. The reason is human nature.....to reduce it to its essence essentially the majority of humans are tribal in nature and stick to those they identify most with. What you would call racism. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 2.00pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by serial thriller

America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged.

The split in the US will probably happen far quicker than elsewhere.....Yes I agree, in some areas the split will require less chaos than in others.

I can see this happening though.

The reason that these problems aren't on the same scale in Britain is purely down to numbers....in the US only 63 percent are of European heritage....here it's about 85 percent.....as that number goes down in the UK we will, on average, become more and more divided....of course we will still have liars claiming otherwise out of ideology.

Also, to answer your question why people insist upon equating their race to identity.....well, firstly that's the majority...not all....a minority don't..and an even larger number lie about it...or refuse to think about it....and that minority will probably be those who exist in the probable mixed states of the future.

The reason is human nature.....to reduce it to its essence essentially the majority of humans are tribal in nature and stick to those they identify most with.

What you would call racism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 2.00pm)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Oct 18 6.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The split in the US will probably happen far quicker than elsewhere.....Yes I agree, in some areas the split will require less chaos than in others. I can see this happening though. The reason that these problems aren't on the same scale in Britain is purely down to numbers....in the US only 63 percent are of European heritage....here it's about 85 percent.....as that number goes down in the UK we will, on average, become more and more divided....of course we will still have liars claiming otherwise out of ideology. Also, to answer your question why people insist upon equating their race to identity.....well, firstly that's the majority...not all....a minority don't..and an even larger number lie about it...or refuse to think about it....and that minority will probably be those who exist in the probable mixed states of the future. The reason is human nature.....to reduce it to its essence essentially the majority of humans are tribal in nature and stick to those they identify most with. What you would call racism. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 2.00pm) Why do people identify with their race? Well, it isn't based on genetics - you and I are more genetically different than you are to many blacks or Arabs. We have to accept the fact that - whether or not tribalism is a part of human nature - the tribes we imagine are arbitrary. We're we in ancient rome, the idea of division based on skin colour would be unthinkable. Race only emerges as a classifier on the back of European colonialism, and the subsequent oppression, enslavement and segregation gave fuel to those who wanted to reclaim an identity which had been thrust upon their forefathers. Divisions can be healed. I'm Irish, so I'm bloody thankful they can be! Crime comes from desperation and poverty, so I would argue that if you take away the fuel, the fires won't burn... If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 30 Oct 18 6.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The split in the US will probably happen far quicker than elsewhere.....Yes I agree, in some areas the split will require less chaos than in others.

I can see this happening though.

The reason is human nature.....to reduce it to its essence essentially the majority of humans are tribal in nature and stick to those they identify most with.

What you would call racism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 2.00pm)

Why do people identify with their race? Well, it isn't based on genetics - you and I are more genetically different than you are to many blacks or Arabs.

We have to accept the fact that - whether or not tribalism is a part of human nature - the tribes we imagine are arbitrary. We're we in ancient rome, the idea of division based on skin colour would be unthinkable. Race only emerges as a classifier on the back of European colonialism, and the subsequent oppression, enslavement and segregation gave fuel to those who wanted to reclaim an identity which had been thrust upon their forefathers.

Divisions can be healed. I'm Irish, so I'm bloody thankful they can be! Crime comes from desperation and poverty, so I would argue that if you take away the fuel, the fires won't burn...

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 7.15pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Why do people identify with their race? Well, it isn't based on genetics - you and I are more genetically different than you are to many blacks or Arabs. We have to accept the fact that - whether or not tribalism is a part of human nature - the tribes we imagine are arbitrary. We're we in ancient rome, the idea of division based on skin colour would be unthinkable. Race only emerges as a classifier on the back of European colonialism, and the subsequent oppression, enslavement and segregation gave fuel to those who wanted to reclaim an identity which had been thrust upon their forefathers. Divisions can be healed. I'm Irish, so I'm bloody thankful they can be! Crime comes from desperation and poverty, so I would argue that if you take away the fuel, the fires won't burn... What utter rubbish. Race is a massive divider between people and your illusions towards it are risible. Of course most people define by race. As for science...Race can be assigned by just looking at DNA so this nonsensical downplaying of it is unscientific. The left filter those scientists who they will listen to on these matters and they provide only them with the megaphone. Biological scientists won't willingly speak out on it as they are hounded and often sacked for expressing realities on race or indeed gender. That is the environment the left and cucked conservatives have created. However, you will find few, if any, Chinese or south Asians scientists working outside of Europe or the US denying race....No eastern European scientists denying race.....they have no fear of losing their jobs. It doesn't matter what you or indeed I think. People vote with their feet and while I have no issues with multiculturalists like yourself living in multicultural areas (though it angers me that most multiculturalists don't seem to).....what really grinds my gears is listening to the utter rubbish spoken by social constructionists. Social constructionism has caused much harm in the world....and because fools believe the world should fit with their feelings about it....rather than how human nature works....this ideology will continue to make the powerless suffer. As for your comments on Europeans.....well, they are anti white and while I have no real issues with you taking that position conceptionally I've already answered those points and rejected them. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 7.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by serial thriller

Why do people identify with their race? Well, it isn't based on genetics - you and I are more genetically different than you are to many blacks or Arabs.

Divisions can be healed. I'm Irish, so I'm bloody thankful they can be! Crime comes from desperation and poverty, so I would argue that if you take away the fuel, the fires won't burn...

What utter rubbish.

Race is a massive divider between people and your illusions towards it are risible. Of course most people define by race. As for science...Race can be assigned by just looking at DNA so this nonsensical downplaying of it is unscientific.

The left filter those scientists who they will listen to on these matters and they provide only them with the megaphone. Biological scientists won't willingly speak out on it as they are hounded and often sacked for expressing realities on race or indeed gender.

That is the environment the left and cucked conservatives have created.

However, you will find few, if any, Chinese or south Asians scientists working outside of Europe or the US denying race....No eastern European scientists denying race.....they have no fear of losing their jobs.

It doesn't matter what you or indeed I think. People vote with their feet and while I have no issues with multiculturalists like yourself living in multicultural areas (though it angers me that most multiculturalists don't seem to).....what really grinds my gears is listening to the utter rubbish spoken by social constructionists.

Social constructionism has caused much harm in the world....and because fools believe the world should fit with their feelings about it....rather than how human nature works....this ideology will continue to make the powerless suffer.

As for your comments on Europeans.....well, they are anti white and while I have no real issues with you taking that position conceptionally I've already answered those points and rejected them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 7.18pm)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 02 Nov 18 12.48pm
A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link] Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together? In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump. Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Nov 2018 12.55pm)
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A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link]

Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together?

In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump.

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Stirlingsays 02 Nov 18 1.05pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link] Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together? In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump. Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Nov 2018 12.55pm) Many in the progressive left are openly racist to whites, especially white men in America. It's funny really.....the Democrats are the party that rails against racism the most yet it is the most openly racist party. The party that literally promotes identitarian views amongst minorities yet screams racism when a fraction of the majority do it. On Hol, we have seen some progressives openly using the 'gammon' statement and then hilariously claiming it isn't racist. The progressives/regressives are something else. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Nov 2018 3.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link]

Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together?

In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump.

Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Nov 2018 12.55pm)

Many in the progressive left are openly racist to whites, especially white men in America.

It's funny really.....the Democrats are the party that rails against racism the most yet it is the most openly racist party.

The party that literally promotes identitarian views amongst minorities yet screams racism when a fraction of the majority do it.

On Hol, we have seen some progressives openly using the 'gammon' statement and then hilariously claiming it isn't racist.

The progressives/regressives are something else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Nov 2018 3.28pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Nov 18 1.07pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link] Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together? In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump. Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Nov 2018 12.55pm) Imagine if someone has said that of Black men. I would have expected cars and building to be burnt and a lot of TVs stolen.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link]

Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together?

In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump.

Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Nov 2018 12.55pm)

Imagine if someone has said that of Black men.

I would have expected cars and building to be burnt and a lot of TVs stolen.

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Stirlingsays 02 Nov 18 10.59pm
Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month.

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Nov 18 2.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month. Really how amazing, what happened 9 years ago. Still at least they still have wages, the tories are phasing them out. Bad day for Trump, Rashford has just scored.....
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month.

Really how amazing, what happened 9 years ago.

Still at least they still have wages, the tories are phasing them out.

Bad day for Trump, Rashford has just scored.....

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