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Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 10.06pm
Originally posted by silvertop I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong? Rather than a conspiracy, which implies everybody making a coordinated response via prior planning I think the establishment are more those whose interests are aligned all tending to behaviour that results in the same protectionist outcomes......results that have little to do with fairness and lots to do with gaming the system. As for those who voted remain.....well it was a bit over 48 percent.....which is nearly half and they deserve a significant voice. However, what we seem to be seeing is that they have more than a voice.....they are actually stopping Brexit.....We have Dan on here telling us Bexit is never going to happen.....He may be right. But that's not democracy and for plenty of people that is going to take the trust in parliament from poor....to god knows what. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 10.08pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Apr 19 10.06pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong?

Rather than a conspiracy, which implies everybody making a coordinated response via prior planning I think the establishment are more those whose interests are aligned all tending to behaviour that results in the same protectionist outcomes......results that have little to do with fairness and lots to do with gaming the system.

As for those who voted remain.....well it was a bit over 48 percent.....which is nearly half and they deserve a significant voice. However, what we seem to be seeing is that they have more than a voice.....they are actually stopping Brexit.....We have Dan on here telling us Bexit is never going to happen.....He may be right.

But that's not democracy and for plenty of people that is going to take the trust in parliament from poor....to god knows what.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 10.08pm)

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.TUX. 11 Apr 19 10.17pm
Originally posted by silvertop I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong? 1. The very same who not only caused the '08 crash but have taken advantage of it ever since........while the innocent suffer a decade of austerity. How is this not clear? 2. Of course they are wrong (see above). They are all pigs eating from the same trough and the ECB (along with others) have become nothing more than venture capitalists for the wealthy/connected. We aren't in this club but we'll once again pay for their (deliberate) 'mistakes'. You should be fuming tbh. Buy Litecoin.
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11 Apr 19 10.17pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I am a staunch remainer but largely agree with this though when I see terms like establishment I smell conspiracy theory. Like there was ever a unified collective of men in dark suits plotting remain. That said it is fair to say that almost half the electorate voted remain including most of commerce manufacturing finance and the city as well as most of the government. Were they all wrong?

1. The very same who not only caused the '08 crash but have taken advantage of it ever since........while the innocent suffer a decade of austerity. How is this not clear?
2. Of course they are wrong (see above). They are all pigs eating from the same trough and the ECB (along with others) have become nothing more than venture capitalists for the wealthy/connected. We aren't in this club but we'll once again pay for their (deliberate) 'mistakes'.

You should be fuming tbh.

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 19 10.54pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I find it neither bigoted nor racist although I disagree with what he said as there are quite a few females and non whites in the Tory Government including the first Asian minister in one of the big three posts. At least Mrs May selects her team on merit and not because they are ex shag buddies Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.
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Croydon 11 Apr 19 10.54pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I find it neither bigoted nor racist although I disagree with what he said as there are quite a few females and non whites in the Tory Government including the first Asian minister in one of the big three posts.

At least Mrs May selects her team on merit and not because they are ex shag buddies

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible

Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

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Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.04pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet. Oh, well if it was a towering statesman like Miliband she must be great. If you have no particular view then watch one of her interviews and you’ll soon form one. She’s as sharp as a sack full of wet mice.
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11 Apr 19 11.04pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible

Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

Oh, well if it was a towering statesman like Miliband she must be great. If you have no particular view then watch one of her interviews and you’ll soon form one. She’s as sharp as a sack full of wet mice.

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Pussay Patrol 11 Apr 19 11.11pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet. to be fair it is a weak shadow cabinet, all the resignations since Corbyn's tenure, no so called blairites and the defections to change.uk Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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11 Apr 19 11.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

The idea, however, that Hunt and Grayling - and indeed May herself- were selected on merit is beyond risible

Abbott is everyone’s pet hate. I have no particular view on her but to judge the whole shadow cabinet based on her is clear nonsense

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

to be fair it is a weak shadow cabinet, all the resignations since Corbyn's tenure, no so called blairites and the defections to change.uk

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 11 Apr 19 11.20pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Apr 19 11.20pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm)

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Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm) That’s a fairly safe bet.
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11 Apr 19 11.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You obviously haven't been watching much Jordan Peterson.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2019 11.21pm)

That’s a fairly safe bet.

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Pussay Patrol 12 Apr 19 6.02am
Originally posted by .TUX. 1. The very same who not only caused the '08 crash but have taken advantage of it ever since........while the innocent suffer a decade of austerity. How is this not clear? 2. Of course they are wrong (see above). They are all pigs eating from the same trough and the ECB (along with others) have become nothing more than venture capitalists for the wealthy/connected. We aren't in this club but we'll once again pay for their (deliberate) 'mistakes'. You should be fuming tbh. to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it Biggest mistake of our lifetime Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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12 Apr 19 6.02am

Originally posted by .TUX.

You should be fuming tbh.

to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it

Biggest mistake of our lifetime

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Midlands Eagle 12 Apr 19 6.17am
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK. And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking. And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet. I know how you love to argue and I don't normally engage with you for that reason but whilst 22% of the cabinet may well be female there have been a large number of females who have resigned over the months and I don't suppose that the makeup of the cabinet is what Mrs May would have wanted but is more to do with running out of suitable replacements. Regarding your sarcastic comment about an ethnic minority minister I did say "to one of the top three jobs" as there are plenty of other ethnic minorities in the Tory Government including Deputy Chairman
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, my mistake. 22% female is of course an excellent representation of the public in the UK.

And as you say there is an ethnic minority person too. Cracking.

And as I am sure you know it was Miliband who invited her to join the shadow cabinet.

I know how you love to argue and I don't normally engage with you for that reason but whilst 22% of the cabinet may well be female there have been a large number of females who have resigned over the months and I don't suppose that the makeup of the cabinet is what Mrs May would have wanted but is more to do with running out of suitable replacements.

Regarding your sarcastic comment about an ethnic minority minister I did say "to one of the top three jobs" as there are plenty of other ethnic minorities in the Tory Government including Deputy Chairman

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Apr 19 6.28am
Originally posted by .TUX. They thought the same about 'austerity'. They were wrong then too. In your opinion. But you are not the government and didnt come into power with an empty bank account left to you by the preceding government.
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The garden of England 12 Apr 19 6.28am

Originally posted by .TUX.

They thought the same about 'austerity'.
They were wrong then too.

In your opinion.
But you are not the government and didnt come into power with an empty bank account left to you by the preceding government.

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dannyboy1978 12 Apr 19 6.53am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it Biggest mistake of our lifetime Because Labour's mass imigration didn't pull down wages did it, god you chat nonsece Edited by dannyboy1978 (12 Apr 2019 7.02am)
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12 Apr 19 6.53am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it

Biggest mistake of our lifetime

Because Labour's mass imigration didn't pull down wages did it, god you chat nonsece

Edited by dannyboy1978 (12 Apr 2019 7.02am)

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.TUX. 12 Apr 19 7.01am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it Biggest mistake of our lifetime The Fed, BoE, the ECB etc are all branches on the same tree, a tree that continues to rob us all (your labour is worth less in real terms than your fathers, his fathers etc etc) regardless of who happens to be 'in power'. It's clear to see yet people continue to ignore it this simple fact. Sadly. Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

12 Apr 19 7.01am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

to lay any blame with the EU is barking up the wrong tree and leaving it will only worsen the situation. Tories will simply deregulate, our social wealth squeezed further upwards, and can force another generation of austerity, blaming Brexit since they can argue ultimately it wasn't their policy to leave, the electorate voted it

Biggest mistake of our lifetime

The Fed, BoE, the ECB etc are all branches on the same tree, a tree that continues to rob us all (your labour is worth less in real terms than your fathers, his fathers etc etc) regardless of who happens to be 'in power'.
It's clear to see yet people continue to ignore it this simple fact.
Sadly.

Buy Litecoin.

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