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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 06 Apr 22 12.09am |
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Watching the distressing images on TV, and hearing the eyewitness accounts, of what the Russians have been doing is painful. Does anyone have the slightest doubt they are all real, and the denials from Russia farcical? I don't. I don't think you could possibly fake things on this scale, and the satellite pictures confirm that anyway. I have been thinking back to the times in my life when I have encountered Russians in any numbers. The first was when I went to Moscow. It was after the fall of the USSR, right at the end of Yeltsin's time. I saw little of day to day Russian life, being driven everywhere, staying in a luxury hotel and eating in nice restaurants. I was an honoured western guest there to impart knowledge on my speciality. There were hints it was different below the surface. Stories of people being thrown out of windows. Our driver carrying a gun. Being stopped by security when we made a wrong turn. Nothing on the shelves in anything but the tourist section of Gum. The middle lane of the major roads being reserved for official vehicles. The second was many years later when I was on holiday in Sharm el Sheikh. This was at a lovely hotel, great staff, beautiful gardens, nice room, clean and well-equipped, by the sea with walk in access to a coral reef. It was also huge, with several restaurants, bars and nightclubs and fully inclusive. Whilst half the guests came from Europe, almost all the others were Russian. Mostly in their 30s and 40s the men looked like body builders and their ladies like blond, beautiful models. They made no social contact with anyone else at all. No eye contact. They just looked through you. They treated the staff like sh*t, and their fellow guests much the same way. If there was a queue at a buffet, they ignored it. If you vacated a lounger to go to get something, and they wanted it, they took it. They dominated the bars and nightclubs and intimidated anyone else who entered. I could go on, but you get the idea. I realised then that these people have a completely different mentality and outlook to us. I have no idea whether those I saw are typical, or perhaps an elite group on holiday together, but there were at least a couple of hundred of them, and they made me feel pretty uncomfortable This all came back to me when I saw those images and people were asking, "how can people do this"? I thought, yes, they can. I have seen the eyes that stare without care.
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 georgenorman 06 Apr 22 7.34am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Watching the distressing images on TV, and hearing the eyewitness accounts, of what the Russians have been doing is painful. Does anyone have the slightest doubt they are all real, and the denials from Russia farcical? I don't. I don't think you could possibly fake things on this scale, and the satellite pictures confirm that anyway. I have been thinking back to the times in my life when I have encountered Russians in any numbers. The first was when I went to Moscow. It was after the fall of the USSR, right at the end of Yeltsin's time. I saw little of day to day Russian life, being driven everywhere, staying in a luxury hotel and eating in nice restaurants. I was an honoured western guest there to impart knowledge on my speciality. There were hints it was different below the surface. Stories of people being thrown out of windows. Our driver carrying a gun. Being stopped by security when we made a wrong turn. Nothing on the shelves in anything but the tourist section of Gum. The middle lane of the major roads being reserved for official vehicles. The second was many years later when I was on holiday in Sharm el Sheikh. This was at a lovely hotel, great staff, beautiful gardens, nice room, clean and well-equipped, by the sea with walk in access to a coral reef. It was also huge, with several restaurants, bars and nightclubs and fully inclusive. Whilst half the guests came from Europe, almost all the others were Russian. Mostly in their 30s and 40s the men looked like body builders and their ladies like blond, beautiful models. They made no social contact with anyone else at all. No eye contact. They just looked through you. They treated the staff like sh*t, and their fellow guests much the same way. If there was a queue at a buffet, they ignored it. If you vacated a lounger to go to get something, and they wanted it, they took it. They dominated the bars and nightclubs and intimidated anyone else who entered. I could go on, but you get the idea. I realised then that these people have a completely different mentality and outlook to us. I have no idea whether those I saw are typical, or perhaps an elite group on holiday together, but there were at least a couple of hundred of them, and they made me feel pretty uncomfortable This all came back to me when I saw those images and people were asking, "how can people do this"? I thought, yes, they can. I have seen the eyes that stare without care. Sounds like a day in Bradford or Leicester.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 22 7.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Watching the distressing images on TV, and hearing the eyewitness accounts, of what the Russians have been doing is painful. Does anyone have the slightest doubt they are all real, and the denials from Russia farcical? I don't. I don't think you could possibly fake things on this scale, and the satellite pictures confirm that anyway. I have been thinking back to the times in my life when I have encountered Russians in any numbers. The first was when I went to Moscow. It was after the fall of the USSR, right at the end of Yeltsin's time. I saw little of day to day Russian life, being driven everywhere, staying in a luxury hotel and eating in nice restaurants. I was an honoured western guest there to impart knowledge on my speciality. There were hints it was different below the surface. Stories of people being thrown out of windows. Our driver carrying a gun. Being stopped by security when we made a wrong turn. Nothing on the shelves in anything but the tourist section of Gum. The middle lane of the major roads being reserved for official vehicles. The second was many years later when I was on holiday in Sharm el Sheikh. This was at a lovely hotel, great staff, beautiful gardens, nice room, clean and well-equipped, by the sea with walk in access to a coral reef. It was also huge, with several restaurants, bars and nightclubs and fully inclusive. Whilst half the guests came from Europe, almost all the others were Russian. Mostly in their 30s and 40s the men looked like body builders and their ladies like blond, beautiful models. They made no social contact with anyone else at all. No eye contact. They just looked through you. They treated the staff like sh*t, and their fellow guests much the same way. If there was a queue at a buffet, they ignored it. If you vacated a lounger to go to get something, and they wanted it, they took it. They dominated the bars and nightclubs and intimidated anyone else who entered. I could go on, but you get the idea. I realised then that these people have a completely different mentality and outlook to us. I have no idea whether those I saw are typical, or perhaps an elite group on holiday together, but there were at least a couple of hundred of them, and they made me feel pretty uncomfortable This all came back to me when I saw those images and people were asking, "how can people do this"? I thought, yes, they can. I have seen the eyes that stare without care. I have to agree. My only experience of Russians was in the Maldives. They were rude, obnoxious and had trophy women who looked as sinister as the men.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Apr 22 9.38am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Watching the distressing images on TV, and hearing the eyewitness accounts, of what the Russians have been doing is painful. Does anyone have the slightest doubt they are all real, and the denials from Russia farcical? I don't. I don't think you could possibly fake things on this scale, and the satellite pictures confirm that anyway. I have been thinking back to the times in my life when I have encountered Russians in any numbers. The first was when I went to Moscow. It was after the fall of the USSR, right at the end of Yeltsin's time. I saw little of day to day Russian life, being driven everywhere, staying in a luxury hotel and eating in nice restaurants. I was an honoured western guest there to impart knowledge on my speciality. There were hints it was different below the surface. Stories of people being thrown out of windows. Our driver carrying a gun. Being stopped by security when we made a wrong turn. Nothing on the shelves in anything but the tourist section of Gum. The middle lane of the major roads being reserved for official vehicles. The second was many years later when I was on holiday in Sharm el Sheikh. This was at a lovely hotel, great staff, beautiful gardens, nice room, clean and well-equipped, by the sea with walk in access to a coral reef. It was also huge, with several restaurants, bars and nightclubs and fully inclusive. Whilst half the guests came from Europe, almost all the others were Russian. Mostly in their 30s and 40s the men looked like body builders and their ladies like blond, beautiful models. They made no social contact with anyone else at all. No eye contact. They just looked through you. They treated the staff like sh*t, and their fellow guests much the same way. If there was a queue at a buffet, they ignored it. If you vacated a lounger to go to get something, and they wanted it, they took it. They dominated the bars and nightclubs and intimidated anyone else who entered. I could go on, but you get the idea. I realised then that these people have a completely different mentality and outlook to us. I have no idea whether those I saw are typical, or perhaps an elite group on holiday together, but there were at least a couple of hundred of them, and they made me feel pretty uncomfortable This all came back to me when I saw those images and people were asking, "how can people do this"? I thought, yes, they can. I have seen the eyes that stare without care. Rather long post but a very familiar story. My few interactions with Russians have predominantly been abroad. I of course don't assume them all to be the same, however you do get that air of a cold, bitter, angrily saddened, isolated, anti-social, oppressed feel about them, as though they are determined to ensure whomever occupies similar space to them suffers a harsh reality reflecting their own life experiences. Quick anecdote, once a fellow holidaymaker I had ventured abroad with had a minor scuffle with a couple of Russian lads outside a bar on a 'strip' and soon found himself surrounded by about 10-15 of them. Through the night and the promenade's grapevine, the 10-15 or so of us who were abroad with him caught wind of this. I think the Russians get the impression the rest of Europe lives in some sort of mollycoddled luxury and therefore they have the upper hand in any physical confrontation. Their knowledge of areas such as Southwark, Lewisham and Woolwich is seriously lacking however and I think it soon dawned they'd 'bitten off more than they could chew'. To paint the proverbial picture, twas my younger self, the ubiquitous Liverpool fan, two Arsenal fans and 10 or so Millwall fans, who suffice to say led the victorious chanting post fracas which included what can only be described as a treasonous attempt at choruses of 'Rule Brittania', swiftly followed by long 'Miiiiilllllll'
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| Stirlingsays 06 Apr 22 9.56am |
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The dude is missing his White Russians.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Apr 22 11.02am |
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If you value the truth then you need to evaluate multiple perspectives before coming to your best conclusion. That's how it's done in the court and that's probably your best chance of getting closest to an objective truth. Sometimes you have to conclude that truth becomes a guessimate due to the utter dishonesty of the competing perspectives. One thing I've seen over the years is the decline in objectivity and increase in emotionality from our own media. I no longer view it as superior to foreign medias as I once did in the past. What I would say to people is the most important thing to understand about modern medias.....whoever they are around the world. Is that they are there to reflect the will and opinions of their elite owners. Their commitment to truth is wholly contingent upon their bosses' perspectives. Unless you are fine nodding along to the one perspective....and the majority of people will be....then being careful on what can be trusted becomes important. I read a media today that went from obsessing over whether your neighbour breathed over you and viewing a face nappy as your mandated saviour.....to now not even bothering and braying for nuclear war with Putin. Personally I'm more tending to the idea that unless someone is going to be personally affected by the politics they preach then what they think is spurious. Most of our elites are low quality and not worth their positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2022 11.06am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 06 Apr 22 11.24am |
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Russia's reputation has surely gone. From being a respected, if feared, country to being a barbarian occupier in a few weeks. Not worth a w***ski.
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| georgenorman 06 Apr 22 11.29am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Russia's reputation has surely gone. From being a respected, if feared, country to being a barbarian occupier in a few weeks. Not worth a w***ski. You've changed your tune, you were the leading apologist for them on here a few weeks ago.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 06 Apr 22 11.30am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You've changed your tune, you were the leading apologist for them on here a few weeks ago. If he has then respect, not many of u do change our minds.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Apr 22 11.44am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Russia's reputation has surely gone. From being a respected, if feared, country to being a barbarian occupier in a few weeks. Not worth a w***ski. With the west. The self harming isn't contagious. To me, what is important, is are we making the best decisions.
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BlueJay  UK 06 Apr 22 11.45am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You've changed your tune, you were the leading apologist for them on here a few weeks ago. I did make a little joke about this monumental about turn before, but as Badger says, credit to him for for scrutinising his own opinions based on evidence, which, despite the 'western media = bad' mantra is clearly what has happened here.
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| BlueJay UK 06 Apr 22 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
With the west. The self harming isn't contagious. To me, what is important, is are we making the best decisions. Russias attack on freedoms makes ours look like freedom central and the fact that Russians are not allowed to know, nor say that this war and accompanying atrocities have been carried out in their name is quite sad. As a country they are very much masters of self harm. Taking out innocent men, women and children with hands tied behind their backs is not how most would wish their nations to be perceived.
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