You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Topic
November 26 2024 11.46am

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

2020 US Presidential Election. (LOCKED)

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 166 of 442 < 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 >

Topic Locked

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 10.21am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

I have been puzzled about why Trump has adopted this position when it appears so obvious it's doomed to ultimately fail. Not only that but that he had been preparing for it. It hurts the country, is putting lives at risk of violence and lack of action on the pandemic. True to form he thinks only of himself and cares nothing for his country or others.

Why though? He is potentially damaging his legacy, threatening brand Trump and ruining any realistic chance of a comeback. Who, apart from his base, will ever trust him again?

I read a new analysis of this today, which suggested a reason I hadn't considered before. Debt!

Apparently, his campaign is heavily indebted and needs to raise funds to clear it. He knows his businesses are going to be under pressure when he leaves and possibly may not survive. So no relieve there.

So the money being raised from his base for the "fighting fund" to pursue legal actions may be a ruse to clear the campaign debt. Apparently, the small print on the donation agreements includes a caveat that it can be used for such other purposes as is necessary to support him.

I have no idea if that is true, but it seems possible and more likely than if he truly expects these challenges to achieve more than hot air.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Nov 20 10.31am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have been puzzled about why Trump has adopted this position when it appears so obvious it's doomed to ultimately fail. Not only that but that he had been preparing for it. It hurts the country, is putting lives at risk of violence and lack of action on the pandemic. True to form he thinks only of himself and cares nothing for his country or others.

Why though? He is potentially damaging his legacy, threatening brand Trump and ruining any realistic chance of a comeback. Who, apart from his base, will ever trust him again?

I read a new analysis of this today, which suggested a reason I hadn't considered before. Debt!

Apparently, his campaign is heavily indebted and needs to raise funds to clear it. He knows his businesses are going to be under pressure when he leaves and possibly may not survive. So no relieve there.

So the money being raised from his base for the "fighting fund" to pursue legal actions may be a ruse to clear the campaign debt. Apparently, the small print on the donation agreements includes a caveat that it can be used for such other purposes as is necessary to support him.

I have no idea if that is true, but it seems possible and more likely than if he truly expects these challenges to achieve more than hot air.


You have no idea it is true but you just thought you'd spread it anyway.

Maybe Trump is fighting fire with fire. After the outrageous disrespect his office has endured over the last four years, I'm going to cut him some slack.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 10.33am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

None of it is true? Seriously?

So 95% of the media hasn't been engaged in a campaign against trump from day one?
You do live on planet Earth? Just checking. Maybe you don't have a TV.
And millions of immigrants haven't entered the US in the last 5 years? Really? So all those Mexicans who voted Biden were imaginary? Maybe someone should tell the supreme court.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Nov 2020 10.21am)

I think you are probably beyond help!

Of course the media haven't been engaged in a "campaign"! That's pure Trumpspeak.

They report what happens and when you have a President behaving as Trump has done it is absolutely normal for the reporting to be critical. This isn't Russia or China where a state-controlled media doesn't criticise those in power. They say it as it is, and it has been awful. The coverage has actually been quite restrained and very fair. Apart from the sycophants at Fox and the scurrilous right-wing outlets.

I don't have the figures to hand but Mexican immigration has fallen in the last 4 years and I can well understand why. If I was a Mexican I would think twice about living in Trump's USA! The pressure has come from other South American countries.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 10.39am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


You have no idea it is true but you just thought you'd spread it anyway.

Maybe Trump is fighting fire with fire. After the outrageous disrespect his office has endured over the last four years, I'm going to cut him some slack.

Spread it? No! Share the thought as a possible reason that makes more sense than that it might succeed.

Throwing fuel onto flames is only likely to see you suffering more burns than you already have. Fighting fire with fire in these circumstances is therefore not a wise strategy. Putting out the fire and rebuilding ready for another day makes much more sense.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Nov 20 10.44am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

[Link]

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 11.53am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

That article makes exactly the same points that I do. The only difference is that the author of the report it is based on has a more cynical view of the media. So what? It's just one opinion. He's entitled to it.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
BlueJay Flag UK 12 Nov 20 11.54am

'Very, highly unlikely' Trump wins Arizona, no evidence of fraud, state Republican attorney general says [Link]

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post
BlueJay Flag UK 12 Nov 20 12.03pm

Dead ‘voter’ cited in Trump lawsuit never cast ballot, Michigan records show [Link]

and

Meet Michigan’s ‘dead’ voters. They’re quite alive, despite false fraud claims [Link]

Edited by BlueJay (12 Nov 2020 12.04pm)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post
Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Nov 20 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That article makes exactly the same points that I do. The only difference is that the author of the report it is based on has a more cynical view of the media. So what? It's just one opinion. He's entitled to it.

Well one difference is that it quotes actual data.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
matthau Flag South Croydon 12 Nov 20 12.56pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

[Link]

Clever lady. She’s awake to what is happening.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
Lombardinho Flag London 12 Nov 20 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

[Link]

Clever lady. She’s awake to what is happening.


Isn't she just.

Anyone care to take her on?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post
BlueJay Flag UK 12 Nov 20 3.21pm

Originally posted by Lombardinho


Isn't she just.

Anyone care to take her on?

All of the points she raised have been debunked over the previous few pages (dead voters, 'glitches' etc), as well as the several debunked 'fraud' videos that have been posted by Trump and his sons. There's little sense in gliding past inconvenient facts that don't fit your preference. Many court cases in Nevada, Michigan and Arizona have already been thrown out for being entirely without merit (ones that touch on the topics raised by this woman). It may well be a case of throw enough mud at the wall until something sticks, which will then be latched onto as 'proof' of something terrible, but the clock is ticking down.

Biden outperformed Clintons 2016 performance in just about all states, so there is nothing specific about swing states that's off at all. He won by several million votes. There's nothing at all marginal about his victory that any recount or discrepancies will change. He will be President come January.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post

Topic Locked

Page 166 of 442 < 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Topic