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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 19 8.41pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by .TUX. Facebook, the manipulater of many? Do you honestly believe that Facebook is in any way bloody 'honest' given their history? And equally who does their 'crypto-currency' help in the future? As always, you're bleeding clueless. What you, or I believe is totally beside the point. They own the ball, so they make the rules. If you don't like it don't use FB. Use an alternative. Whether they deserve to face greater regulation in the future is another issue. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 19 8.41pm

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Originally posted by .TUX.

Facebook, the manipulater of many?

Do you honestly believe that Facebook is in any way bloody 'honest' given their history?
And equally who does their 'crypto-currency' help in the future?

As always, you're bleeding clueless.

What you, or I believe is totally beside the point.

They own the ball, so they make the rules. If you don't like it don't use FB. Use an alternative.

Whether they deserve to face greater regulation in the future is another issue.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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.TUX. 28 Jul 19 8.48pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What you, or I believe is totally beside the point. They own the ball, so they make the rules. If you don't like it don't use FB. Use an alternative. Whether they deserve to face greater regulation in the future is another issue. You're an idiot. Buy Litecoin.
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28 Jul 19 8.48pm

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What you, or I believe is totally beside the point.

They own the ball, so they make the rules. If you don't like it don't use FB. Use an alternative.

Whether they deserve to face greater regulation in the future is another issue.

You're an idiot.

Buy Litecoin.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jul 19 9.58pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course some things are factual. No-one can deny that but what is tricky is proving they are. When you scratch below so many surfaces all that's often left are opinions. I was 75 yesterday. It's a fact because I have my birth certificate. Hang on though. Although I was there I have no recollection so am relying on my parents and the registrar to have got it right. It was war time. Things got mixed up and delayed. Is it a fact? Probably but not certainly. I presume that you think it's those who disagree with you who are "brainwashed". Whilst I think the precise opposite. Now is either of them a fact? No not necessarily. Opinion is just opinion, but if it purposefully ignores facts in order to misrepresent, then it becomes more than just ignorance or a different point of view but a wilful deception. When you talk about birth certificates, I know for a fact that they can be wrong, as can many other official records. That is due to incompetence or human error if you prefer. We should not confuse that with wilful manipulation for political reasons. You can be certain that during the war, errors were made regularly and equally, that purposeful lies and propaganda were employed. I'm sure you would accept that as a fair assertion, so why do you find it so difficult to accept that the same tactics are used in peacetime 'in the national interest'?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course some things are factual. No-one can deny that but what is tricky is proving they are. When you scratch below so many surfaces all that's often left are opinions.

I was 75 yesterday. It's a fact because I have my birth certificate. Hang on though. Although I was there I have no recollection so am relying on my parents and the registrar to have got it right. It was war time. Things got mixed up and delayed. Is it a fact? Probably but not certainly.

I presume that you think it's those who disagree with you who are "brainwashed". Whilst I think the precise opposite. Now is either of them a fact?

No not necessarily.

Opinion is just opinion, but if it purposefully ignores facts in order to misrepresent, then it becomes more than just ignorance or a different point of view but a wilful deception.
When you talk about birth certificates, I know for a fact that they can be wrong, as can many other official records. That is due to incompetence or human error if you prefer. We should not confuse that with wilful manipulation for political reasons.
You can be certain that during the war, errors were made regularly and equally, that purposeful lies and propaganda were employed.
I'm sure you would accept that as a fair assertion, so why do you find it so difficult to accept that the same tactics are used in peacetime 'in the national interest'?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 19 10.13pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No not necessarily. Opinion is just opinion, but if it purposefully ignores facts in order to misrepresent, then it becomes more than just ignorance or a different point of view but a wilful deception. When you talk about birth certificates, I know for a fact that they can be wrong, as can many other official records. That is due to incompetence or human error if you prefer. We should not confuse that with wilful manipulation for political reasons. You can be certain that during the war, errors were made regularly and equally, that purposeful lies and propaganda were employed. I'm sure you would accept that as a fair assertion, so why do you find it so difficult to accept that the same tactics are used in peacetime 'in the national interest'? What makes you think I don't accept that? I think it is very likely that there will be occasions when facts are obscured to avoid consequences that are considered against the national interest. What I don't believe is that the judiciary would be involved or that politicians would ever try to influence them. I think the security forces might conceal information, or even spread disinformation, in attempts to confuse or flush out those with malign intentions. Nor do I believe that any government will directly interfere with social media platforms. They might drop hints, and express concerns, but ultimately the decisions rest with the private companies themselves who will be mindful of the need to comply with the law whilst building their business model. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 19 10.13pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No not necessarily.

What makes you think I don't accept that?

I think it is very likely that there will be occasions when facts are obscured to avoid consequences that are considered against the national interest.

What I don't believe is that the judiciary would be involved or that politicians would ever try to influence them. I think the security forces might conceal information, or even spread disinformation, in attempts to confuse or flush out those with malign intentions.

Nor do I believe that any government will directly interfere with social media platforms. They might drop hints, and express concerns, but ultimately the decisions rest with the private companies themselves who will be mindful of the need to comply with the law whilst building their business model.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jul 19 10.27pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What makes you think I don't accept that? I think it is very likely that there will be occasions when facts are obscured to avoid consequences that are considered against the national interest. What I don't believe is that the judiciary would be involved or that politicians would ever try to influence them. I think the security forces might conceal information, or even spread disinformation, in attempts to confuse or flush out those with malign intentions. Nor do I believe that any government will directly interfere with social media platforms. They might drop hints, and express concerns, but ultimately the decisions rest with the private companies themselves who will be mindful of the need to comply with the law whilst building their business model. You seem to suggest that things happen by direct and obvious interference whereas influence is often more likely to be of the more subtle or pervasive variety. You talk about facts and opinions being different, but your view on the judiciary or the sources of influence are purely opinion in an arena where facts are deliberately obliterated from view.
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Hrolf The Ganger

28 Jul 19 10.27pm

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What makes you think I don't accept that?

I think it is very likely that there will be occasions when facts are obscured to avoid consequences that are considered against the national interest.

You seem to suggest that things happen by direct and obvious interference whereas influence is often more likely to be of the more subtle or pervasive variety.

You talk about facts and opinions being different, but your view on the judiciary or the sources of influence are purely opinion in an arena where facts are deliberately obliterated from view.

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Stirlingsays 28 Jul 19 11.00pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by .TUX. You're an idiot. Seconded, it's a complete waste of time debating with him.....100 percent NPC. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2019 11.01pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Jul 19 11.00pm

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Originally posted by .TUX.

You're an idiot.

Seconded, it's a complete waste of time debating with him.....100 percent NPC.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2019 11.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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dannyboy1978 29 Jul 19 7.08am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle The religion of peace in full swing. I wonder how long it will be before the left twig tommy might be on to somthing. [Link]
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dannyboy1978

29 Jul 19 7.08am

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The religion of peace in full swing.
I wonder how long it will be before the left twig tommy might be on to somthing.

[Link]

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DanH SW2 29 Jul 19 9.55am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays Seconded, it's a complete waste of time debating with him.....100 percent NPC. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2019 11.01pm) Just googled this 'NPC' nonsense. Hahahaha, f*cking hell. You lot are actual man children.
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SW2 29 Jul 19 9.55am

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Seconded, it's a complete waste of time debating with him.....100 percent NPC.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2019 11.01pm)

Just googled this 'NPC' nonsense. Hahahaha, f*cking hell. You lot are actual man children.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 19 10.23am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by dannyboy1978 The religion of peace in full swing. I wonder how long it will be before the left twig tommy might be on to somthing. [Link] It's well known that a large percentage of Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal. There are many who think it should be punishable by death. Amongst other beliefs incompatible with Western Culture. If you carry on through the thread on Twitter you can see no action is going to be taken against this woman too. The double standards are obvious, yet there are so many who won't see it. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 19 10.23am

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

The religion of peace in full swing.
I wonder how long it will be before the left twig tommy might be on to somthing.

[Link]

It's well known that a large percentage of Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal. There are many who think it should be punishable by death. Amongst other beliefs incompatible with Western Culture.
If you carry on through the thread on Twitter you can see no action is going to be taken against this woman too. The double standards are obvious, yet there are so many who won't see it.

Red and Blue Army!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 19 10.28am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by DanH Just googled this 'NPC' nonsense. Hahahaha, f*cking hell. You lot are actual man children. So true. Those that use this kind of playground language say so much more about themselves than ever they do about their intended targets. All it says to me is that they have run out of answers, so resort to childish insults. In a nursery any child behaving like that would have to take a time out on the naughty step to reflect on their behaviour. Doesn't seem to happen here though. You can find it in the USA all the time in groups of tiny brained Trumpkins.(see, I can come down to that level too!) It's sad though to see people here imitating them. We are better than that. Or most of us are. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 19 10.28am

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Originally posted by DanH

Just googled this 'NPC' nonsense. Hahahaha, f*cking hell. You lot are actual man children.

So true.

Those that use this kind of playground language say so much more about themselves than ever they do about their intended targets.

All it says to me is that they have run out of answers, so resort to childish insults. In a nursery any child behaving like that would have to take a time out on the naughty step to reflect on their behaviour. Doesn't seem to happen here though.

You can find it in the USA all the time in groups of tiny brained Trumpkins.(see, I can come down to that level too!) It's sad though to see people here imitating them. We are better than that. Or most of us are.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 19 10.40am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by dannyboy1978 The religion of peace in full swing. I wonder how long it will be before the left twig tommy might be on to somthing. [Link] It wasn't though "the religion of peace in full swing" was it? It was a homophone in full swing who drew her reasoning from her interpretation of a religion. Many people, from many religions, are homophobic. We are gradually winning the battle of ideas with many of them. Clearly not yet all though. That it seems there is further to go with certain interpretations of Islam, and certain cultural groupings who are of Islamic origins, doesn't mean you give up the battle of ideas. It means you must redouble the efforts, remain patient and gradually allow the sense of western values to penetrate the shell of intolerance. Defeatism combined with no alternative strategy is no answer. Moans and groans get us nowhere at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 19 10.40am

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

The religion of peace in full swing.
I wonder how long it will be before the left twig tommy might be on to somthing.

[Link]

It wasn't though "the religion of peace in full swing" was it?

It was a homophone in full swing who drew her reasoning from her interpretation of a religion.

Many people, from many religions, are homophobic. We are gradually winning the battle of ideas with many of them. Clearly not yet all though.

That it seems there is further to go with certain interpretations of Islam, and certain cultural groupings who are of Islamic origins, doesn't mean you give up the battle of ideas. It means you must redouble the efforts, remain patient and gradually allow the sense of western values to penetrate the shell of intolerance.

Defeatism combined with no alternative strategy is no answer. Moans and groans get us nowhere at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 19 10.51am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It wasn't though "the religion of peace in full swing" was it? It was a homophone in full swing who drew her reasoning from her interpretation of a religion. Many people, from many religions, are homophobic. We are gradually winning the battle of ideas with many of them. Clearly not yet all though. That it seems there is further to go with certain interpretations of Islam, and certain cultural groupings who are of Islamic origins, doesn't mean you give up the battle of ideas. It means you must redouble the efforts, remain patient and gradually allow the sense of western values to penetrate the shell of intolerance. Defeatism combined with no alternative strategy is no answer. Moans and groans get us nowhere at all. Some immigrants integrated. Many didn't. Some second and third generation immigrants don't even speak English. Largely, no one speaks about integration, there are no government initiatives in integration and there is little integration happening. In fact, in the case of Islam, there has been a sharp rise in Islamic fundamentalism/ radical Islam. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 19 10.51am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wasn't though "the religion of peace in full swing" was it?

It was a homophone in full swing who drew her reasoning from her interpretation of a religion.

Many people, from many religions, are homophobic. We are gradually winning the battle of ideas with many of them. Clearly not yet all though.

Defeatism combined with no alternative strategy is no answer. Moans and groans get us nowhere at all.

Some immigrants integrated. Many didn't. Some second and third generation immigrants don't even speak English.
Largely, no one speaks about integration, there are no government initiatives in integration and there is little integration happening.
In fact, in the case of Islam, there has been a sharp rise in Islamic fundamentalism/ radical Islam.

Red and Blue Army!

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