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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Apr 19 6.54pm
Originally posted by becky So, let me get this right: they will put in a clause that if Boris (or whoever) causes trouble, then the EU can throw us out with no deal....... because they are worried that Boris (or whoever) will cause trouble to get a no deal exit early...... got it! You aren't realistic, nobody in the UK or EU can trust a British PM. Even if they did, that PM could not deliver, as we have seen they just cannot deliver the UK parliament. Negotiating with a British PM is not the same as negotiating with the UK itself. It is just a circus. Given that reality they have been remarkably civilised and understanding. Edited by steeleye20 (09 Apr 2019 6.55pm)
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Croydon 09 Apr 19 6.54pm

Originally posted by becky

So, let me get this right: they will put in a clause that if Boris (or whoever) causes trouble, then the EU can throw us out with no deal....... because they are worried that Boris (or whoever) will cause trouble to get a no deal exit early...... got it!

You aren't realistic, nobody in the UK or EU can trust a British PM.

Even if they did, that PM could not deliver, as we have seen they just cannot deliver the UK parliament.

Negotiating with a British PM is not the same as negotiating with the UK itself.

It is just a circus.

Given that reality they have been remarkably civilised and understanding.

Edited by steeleye20 (09 Apr 2019 6.55pm)

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Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 7.19pm
So you vilify ordinary people getting a pension but celebrate millionaires buying London pads Well done ! Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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09 Apr 19 7.19pm

So you vilify ordinary people getting a pension but celebrate millionaires buying London pads

Well done !

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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becky over the moon 09 Apr 19 7.21pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol So you vilify ordinary people getting a pension but celebrate millionaires buying London pads Well done ! And where exactly did I say that? or even 'vilify' 'ordinary' people for getting pensions? On the one I commented that financial services could be run from places other than their registered business address the other I commented that public sector workers have contributions made to their pension funds by their employers, who are funded by the ratepayers/taxpayers etc. Put your teeth back in and stop reading facts that aren't there please. Edited by becky (09 Apr 2019 7.25pm) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 09 Apr 19 7.21pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So you vilify ordinary people getting a pension but celebrate millionaires buying London pads

Well done !

And where exactly did I say that?
or even 'vilify' 'ordinary' people for getting pensions?

On the one I commented that financial services could be run from places other than their registered business address

the other I commented that public sector workers have contributions made to their pension funds by their employers, who are funded by the ratepayers/taxpayers etc.

Put your teeth back in and stop reading facts that aren't there please.

Edited by becky (09 Apr 2019 7.25pm)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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elgrande bedford 09 Apr 19 7.23pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle [Link] So all they have moved is assets, but can still trade from here...its amazing that things can been seen either way. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

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So all they have moved is assets, but can still trade from here...its amazing that things can been seen either way.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 19 7.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 You aren't realistic, nobody in the UK or EU can trust a British PM. Even if they did, that PM could not deliver, as we have seen they just cannot deliver the UK parliament. Negotiating with a British PM is not the same as negotiating with the UK itself. It is just a circus. Given that reality they have been remarkably civilised and understanding. Edited by steeleye20 (09 Apr 2019 6.55pm) Really? If you want to believe that, that is your perogative So you think it is ok for the EU to dictate to the British people who we can have as a leader of a Political Party?
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Horsham 09 Apr 19 7.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You aren't realistic, nobody in the UK or EU can trust a British PM.

Even if they did, that PM could not deliver, as we have seen they just cannot deliver the UK parliament.

Negotiating with a British PM is not the same as negotiating with the UK itself.

It is just a circus.

Given that reality they have been remarkably civilised and understanding.

Edited by steeleye20 (09 Apr 2019 6.55pm)

Really? If you want to believe that, that is your perogative
So you think it is ok for the EU to dictate to the British people who we can have as a leader of a Political Party?

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Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 19 7.29pm
Originally posted by elgrande Are all these so called "experts " the very same ones who said there would be financial armageddon if we didn't join the euro....how did that work out.. Certain posters choose to ignore such facts, doesn't suit their agenda
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Horsham 09 Apr 19 7.29pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Are all these so called "experts " the very same ones who said there would be financial armageddon if we didn't join the euro....how did that work out..

Certain posters choose to ignore such facts, doesn't suit their agenda

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Matov 09 Apr 19 7.41pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Really? If you want to believe that, that is your perogative So you think it is ok for the EU to dictate to the British people who we can have as a leader of a Political Party? For me the issue is why would a British leader accept that? I don't blame the EU at all for this current farce. They are only trying to protect their downside which is absolutely horrendous because if we leave with no deal, the UK is going to boom. And increase the pressure as others try to break away. All of my ire is aimed at our political class for being so weak willed. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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09 Apr 19 7.41pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Really? If you want to believe that, that is your perogative
So you think it is ok for the EU to dictate to the British people who we can have as a leader of a Political Party?

For me the issue is why would a British leader accept that? I don't blame the EU at all for this current farce. They are only trying to protect their downside which is absolutely horrendous because if we leave with no deal, the UK is going to boom. And increase the pressure as others try to break away.

All of my ire is aimed at our political class for being so weak willed.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 19 7.42pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle As already discussed on these hallowed pages the British economy has already lost 66 billion quid just due to the uncertainty over Brexit. Companies have already closed down operations here citing Brexit as a factor. Major car manufacturers have announced reduced investment in the UK with Brexit cited as a factor. Many major financial insitutions have made their employees sign relocation papers to Frankfurt/wherever in the event of a hard brexit. The government's own forecasts and the opinion of the chancellor of the exchequer is that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster. The disaster is well under way already. Nothing to do with him being a staunch remainer is it?
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Horsham 09 Apr 19 7.42pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

As already discussed on these hallowed pages the British economy has already lost 66 billion quid just due to the uncertainty over Brexit.

Companies have already closed down operations here citing Brexit as a factor.

Major car manufacturers have announced reduced investment in the UK with Brexit cited as a factor.

Many major financial insitutions have made their employees sign relocation papers to Frankfurt/wherever in the event of a hard brexit.

The government's own forecasts and the opinion of the chancellor of the exchequer is that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster.

The disaster is well under way already.

Nothing to do with him being a staunch remainer is it?

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Apr 19 7.48pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle As already discussed on these hallowed pages the British economy has already lost 66 billion quid just due to the uncertainty over Brexit. Companies have already closed down operations here citing Brexit as a factor. Major car manufacturers have announced reduced investment in the UK with Brexit cited as a factor. Many major financial insitutions have made their employees sign relocation papers to Frankfurt/wherever in the event of a hard brexit. The government's own forecasts and the opinion of the chancellor of the exchequer is that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster. The disaster is well under way already. Boring. Doom Doom Doom. Project fear rolls on. There was always going to be a dip caused by uncertainty and Remainers have been doing their best to make it worse by delaying Brexit. I expected short term issues, but they are well worth it to rid ourselves of Brussels. You don't seem to be able to think past next week. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Apr 2019 7.49pm)
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

As already discussed on these hallowed pages the British economy has already lost 66 billion quid just due to the uncertainty over Brexit.

Companies have already closed down operations here citing Brexit as a factor.

Major car manufacturers have announced reduced investment in the UK with Brexit cited as a factor.

Many major financial insitutions have made their employees sign relocation papers to Frankfurt/wherever in the event of a hard brexit.

The government's own forecasts and the opinion of the chancellor of the exchequer is that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster.

The disaster is well under way already.

Boring. Doom Doom Doom. Project fear rolls on.

There was always going to be a dip caused by uncertainty and Remainers have been doing their best to make it worse by delaying Brexit.

I expected short term issues, but they are well worth it to rid ourselves of Brussels.

You don't seem to be able to think past next week.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Apr 2019 7.49pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 09 Apr 19 9.03pm
Originally posted by Spiderman As a retired public sector worker I can assure you that not ALL public sector pensions are/were gold-plated, despite what the media would have you believe. I worked for 42 years and my pension was only increased by having to work weekends, public holidays (including Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day) and overtime. What is not taken into account is that, in the private sector many have "extras" ie private medical insurance, company cars, cheap insurance, corporate hospitality etc (not all I admit but some) whereas public sector workers have no such benefits. Private health is taxed Company cars are taxed Life insurance is reflected in a slightly lower salary And like the public sector dont do corporate hospitality yeah right. And your overtime was still payed by the private tax payer.
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The garden of England 09 Apr 19 9.03pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

As a retired public sector worker I can assure you that not ALL public sector pensions are/were gold-plated, despite what the media would have you believe. I worked for 42 years and my pension was only increased by having to work weekends, public holidays (including Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day) and overtime. What is not taken into account is that, in the private sector many have "extras" ie private medical insurance, company cars, cheap insurance, corporate hospitality etc (not all I admit but some) whereas public sector workers have no such benefits.

Private health is taxed
Company cars are taxed
Life insurance is reflected in a slightly lower salary
And like the public sector dont do corporate hospitality yeah right.
And your overtime was still payed by the private tax payer.

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Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 9.44pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Nothing to do with him being a staunch remainer is it? So if you weigh up the pros and cons from an economic perspective and conclude that Brexit is not a good idea, that makes you a staunch remainer? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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09 Apr 19 9.44pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Nothing to do with him being a staunch remainer is it?

So if you weigh up the pros and cons from an economic perspective and conclude that Brexit is not a good idea, that makes you a staunch remainer?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 9.48pm
Originally posted by cryrst Private health is taxed Company cars are taxed Life insurance is reflected in a slightly lower salary And like the public sector dont do corporate hospitality yeah right. And your overtime was still payed by the private tax payer. what's your point? You could argue teachers and nurses don't get paid what they're worth and had to suffer years of pay freezes but so what? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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09 Apr 19 9.48pm

Originally posted by cryrst

what's your point? You could argue teachers and nurses don't get paid what they're worth and had to suffer years of pay freezes but so what?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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