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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 14 Feb 23 11.48pm |
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Beau Locks This the same EU that is being unreasonable over Northern Ireland? All those rejoiners are prepared to have the UK adopt the Euro to replace the pound as undoubtedly that would be a condition of rejoining. Edited by HKOwen (14 Feb 2023 11.56pm)
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 15 Feb 23 12.00am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Beau Locks This the same EU that is being unreasonable over Northern Ireland? All those rejoiners are prepared to have the UK adopt the Euro to replace the pound as undoubtedly that would be a condition of rejoining. Edited by HKOwen (14 Feb 2023 11.56pm) the EU , with their puppet regime in Eire, have deliberately inflamed sectarian shyte in NI. To punish the UK for Brexit. Leo Varadkar is a war criminal , his policies have never represented anybody on these islands. Only an inner cabal in Brussels. In Ireland, he is the most hated Taoiseach ever. In NI, he has sowed the seeds of strife. its a dirty trick of the EU to use NI as a chess-piece. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Feb 2023 12.02am)
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Feb 23 5.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My children and especially my grandchildren were appalled at the decision and remain as committed to reversing it as me. As that appears to be a strong trend among the young it seems your own children are the odd ones out. or they are not having opinions pushed on them with conditions from the family elder !
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Teddy Eagle  15 Feb 23 7.03am |
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The European Court of Human Rights is not helping the situation.
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the silurian  The garden of England.(not really) 15 Feb 23 7.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not! This obsession that leavers continue to have with the cost of running the EU is so short-sighted and simplistic. It’s the whole package which must be considered and for me the benefits hugely outweigh the costs. You are assuming that I am a 'leaver', I dont even live in the UK, havent for 20 years..
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 15 Feb 23 7.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We need to be in because we will be both safer and more prosperous. They need us to ensure that Europe speaks with one voice, that there isn’t a hole in the jigsaw. The EU isn’t complete without us. The world needs the EU to be complete and represent the whole of Europe in today’s challenging times. Safer from what? If the madman that is Putin decides to nuke London we all get nuked, how does being in the EU make us safer?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Feb 23 8.37am |
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We should just ignore any ruling plenty of other countries do when its in their national interest.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 23 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
At least they have an excuse for being gullible. What's yours? Both my children and my eldest grandchild are extremely well informed on this issue and would tear you in threads at any suggestion they were gullible. They would quickly dismiss your approach as well past it’s sell by date.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 23 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Except ultimately, it's not 'simplified'. It is the essential question that hangs over everything EU related because it sums up competing visions of the future status of the 'nation state'. The vision of a Europe without internal borders is one that is not without merit. The notion of being able to travel from the western most beaches of Portugal all the way up to the borders of Russia without any kind of border control has a definite merit. But with that comes a dilution of notions of a how a sovereign nation is defined. Ultimately the key question to all of it. And a vision that the Remain side never even tried to sell as a positive. You cannot just dismiss the very key component of what it means to sign up to the EU vision as being mere populist froth. It is the key to it all. Edited by Matov (14 Feb 2023 9.12pm) It’s not the key question! It’s not any kind of question. It’s the bogeyman used by the Brexiteers to induce fear in the gullible. There is, and never was, the slightest chance of us ever agreeing to give up our right to govern ourselves. Anything we did was by agreement and through voluntary cooperation. This extended only to areas where there is benefit in doing things collectively.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 23 9.43am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Safer from what? If the madman that is Putin decides to nuke London we all get nuked, how does being in the EU make us safer? Making things safer doesn’t mean every risk is eliminated. It just means safer. Being part of a large powerful group tends to do that when compared to being alone.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 23 9.45am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
or they are not having opinions pushed on them with conditions from the family elder ! You don’t know them! They would find such an idea very amusing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 23 9.52am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Beau Locks This the same EU that is being unreasonable over Northern Ireland? All those rejoiners are prepared to have the UK adopt the Euro to replace the pound as undoubtedly that would be a condition of rejoining. Edited by HKOwen (14 Feb 2023 11.56pm) The problems in NI were created by Johnson’s vanity. It’s now down to us to find a way through that mess. The EU didn’t kick us out. We left. There is no prospect of us adopting the Euro in the forseeable future. Rejoining terms will be looser, not tighter.
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