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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 20 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
On the last point I could not disagree with you more. Yes of course the ragtaggle confection of white supremacists opted for trump but I am not talking about that. I am talking about the egg shells good white people now have to tippy toe over for fear of ostracism loss of livelihood and so on. These are not racist or bad people but have been made to feel that they are. It is common sense that they will swing to a party that tells them they are good and valued Americans. I think you are imagining things. I don't know anybody having to fear being accused of racism if they aren't. It's really simple. Behave decently and everything is fine. If they feel pressure then there is going to be a reason for it. Whether you recognise that, or accept it are other questions.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 20 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you are imagining things. I don't know anybody having to fear being accused of racism if they aren't. It's really simple. Behave decently and everything is fine. If they feel pressure then there is going to be a reason for it. Whether you recognise that, or accept it are other questions. Greg Clarke might disagree.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 20 11.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Dangerous in the sense that a significant proportion of the US know that the the media and their puppet masters have been vilifying the POTUS in a totally unprecedented way since the first day he took office? Dangerous in the sense that some of them are considering desperate measures to stop these people controlling their country and their lives for the foreseeable future? Dangerous because many of them are wondering quite how far these people will go to seize power and if maybe, based on their behaviour for the last four years, they might even rig an election? These b******s brought this on themselves. All trust is lost. No one believes anything now. The news is no longer to be trusted. The system is totally corrupt, America is filling up with immigrants. Some radically minded people are probably wondering if a last stand is the answer while there are still enough European Americans left. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Nov 2020 10.30pm) Are you feeling OK? You have swallowed so much bs that it seems to have affected your ability to think straight. The ONLY reason that the media report bad things about Trump is because he does bad things. The answer to that is, and always has been, in his own hands. Trump has always wanted enemies to rail against. It's his MO. The MSM, immigrants, Democrats, anyone who argues with him, are always the problem. Never him. Everything you say is straight out of the Trump playbook. None of it is true. Not one thing. It has been fact-checked and shown to be untrue. Only those infected by Trump's ability to charm, and then enrage, the gullible believe it. I feel sorry that you remain infected and hope that in time you recover.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 20 11.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Greg Clarke might disagree. He might. Doesn't mean he would be right though does it? When you are in the public eye you need to be especially careful in your choice of language. He hasn't though been accused of racism has he? He has resigned after considering his position on the words he used.
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BlueJay UK 11 Nov 20 11.15pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Countless examples of so called fraud posted on Trump and his kids social media have already been debunked. Doesn't that tell you something about their motivations? I'm sure there are isolated cases of fraud in all election, but there's clearly nothing so far that lends itself to the kind of fantasy that looks to have gripped some. [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] It's worth noting that Biden handily beat Hilary's 2016 vote count in almost every State, so this swing state focus is detached from wider facts about the election. Unless a claim is being made that there was - pointlessly - massive fraud in every single US state (even ones where it made no difference), in which case we approach QANON level logic. But by all means look into any significant claim. Trump always said he'd only accept the election results 'if he won', and he's true to his word. 2016 was a 'fraud' too until he released he'd won. If more Republicans than Dems had intended to vote via post he'd have never said a single word about it, and would've instead been harping on about he's sure there's been widespread voting machine hacking. He doesn't mentally make room for a losing outcome; even if that's the reality. Anyone who genuinely buys into this grifter's spiel should be grateful for their own mental health that he's on his way out of the door. Edited by BlueJay (11 Nov 2020 9.52pm) Examples of disingenuous and baseless claims of fraud come thick and fast from Resident Trump. These falsehoods are repeatedly stated as reality; not the actions of someone professing a genuine concern. Such false claims would be funny if not for the fact that they probably get domestic terrorists putting their finger a little closer to the trigger.. [Tweet Link]
"Donald Trump - who has made numerous allegations of voter fraud without providing evidence - has tweeted a video that media reports have already confirmed as showing officials collecting ballots according to their normal procedure. Mr Trump tweeted the video, saying: "You are looking at BALLOTS! Is this what our Country has come to?" The video began circulating on 4 November, the day after voting. It shows officials collecting ballots from a drop box. Some social media users claimed it showed evidence of fraud. However on 6 November Reuters quoted a spokesman for the LA County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk (RR/CC) as saying that the ballots in the videos “are valid ballots and will be processed and counted in our Official Election Canvass.” They were being picked up by RR/CC staff, the spokesman said. “All vote by mail ballot drop boxes were closed and locked at 8 PM on Election Day. Ballots from all boxes throughout the County were picked up the following day,” he added. The California Secretary of State's website says that mail ballots have to be delivered to a ballot drop-off location by the close of polls at 20:00 local time on the day of the election."
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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 20 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He might. Doesn't mean he would be right though does it? When you are in the public eye you need to be especially careful in your choice of language. He hasn't though been accused of racism has he? He has resigned after considering his position on the words he used. Firstly , yes he has. He has resigned after a storm of criticism over the innocuous words he used. If the fact a man can lose his job over using the words coloured person rather than person of colour sits right with you then crack on and good luck next time someone takes exception to something you write. Or say. Or think.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 20 11.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Firstly , yes he has. He has resigned after a storm of criticism over the innocuous words he used. If the fact a man can lose his job over using the words coloured person rather than person of colour sits right with you then crack on and good luck next time someone takes exception to something you write. Or say. Or think. Resigning is voluntary. I doubt that he would have been sacked. You think the words are innocuous, and they don't offend me, but that we aren't offended doesn't mean they aren't offensive. In his position he ought to have known that and he has realised that, even if you don't. I include myself in the need to try to understand people's feelings better rather than seek to impose our previous understanding on others.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 20 11.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Resigning is voluntary. I doubt that he would have been sacked. You think the words are innocuous, and they don't offend me, but that we aren't offended doesn't mean they aren't offensive. In his position he ought to have known that and he has realised that, even if you don't. I include myself in the need to try to understand people's feelings better rather than seek to impose our previous understanding on others. Even Gareth Southgate has said Clarke had no option but to resign. Some of your comments about Trump supporters will have offended them. Are you bothered? Or will you double down and say their feelings don’t matter.
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cryrst The garden of England 12 Nov 20 5.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't see any chance at all that the legal challenges will succeed. It's delaying the inevitable and is potentially very dangerous as it's disrupting the smooth operation of government. Today he has removed 4 of the senior officials at the Pentagon and replaced them with loyalists. Apparently the Pentagon is a place o great confusion now. The heads of the FBI and CIA are said to be next on his hit list. He is causing chaos and not actually doing any work. What a disaster. The potential for really serious issues to explode around the world has not been higher for a long time. The USA doesn't have a fully functioning government. Putting tribal loyalties aside is needed right now. This situation is extremely worrying and needs to be dealt with. Former CIA director John Brennan today called on Pence and the Cabinet to act and invoke the 25th amendment, to remove this danger and restore sanity to the WH. Whether they have the balls to do so remains to be seen. Let's hope so. Put tribal loyalties aside, ha ha.
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cryrst The garden of England 12 Nov 20 5.46am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Even Gareth Southgate has said Clarke had no option but to resign. Some of your comments about Trump supporters will have offended them. Are you bothered? Or will you double down and say their feelings don’t matter. Only coloured folks have actually stuck up for him. Edited by cryrst (12 Nov 2020 5.46am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 10.01am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Put tribal loyalties aside, ha ha. When your worst fears about having a mentally unfit President trying to cling onto power winding up his gun-toting base are being played out in plain sight it's time to appeal to the common sense of those who supported him for either political or religious reasons. Not every Trump supporter is a gullible idiot. There are many decent Republicans who could never vote Democrat so swallowed hard but still voted for Trump. Some switched but not all and it's them that I am talking about. They will be appalled at this behaviour and know how pointless and dangerous it is. It's not tribal loyalties which have been the problem in the last 4 years. It's been Trump.
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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Nov 20 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Are you feeling OK? You have swallowed so much bs that it seems to have affected your ability to think straight. The ONLY reason that the media report bad things about Trump is because he does bad things. The answer to that is, and always has been, in his own hands. Trump has always wanted enemies to rail against. It's his MO. The MSM, immigrants, Democrats, anyone who argues with him, are always the problem. Never him. Everything you say is straight out of the Trump playbook. None of it is true. Not one thing. It has been fact-checked and shown to be untrue. Only those infected by Trump's ability to charm, and then enrage, the gullible believe it. I feel sorry that you remain infected and hope that in time you recover. None of it is true? Seriously? So 95% of the media hasn't been engaged in a campaign against trump from day one? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Nov 2020 10.21am)
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