On the last point I could not disagree with you more. Yes of course the ragtaggle confection of white supremacists opted for trump but I am not talking about that. I am talking about the egg shells good white people now have to tippy toe over for fear of ostracism loss of livelihood and so on. These are not racist or bad people but have been made to feel that they are. It is common sense that they will swing to a party that tells them they are good and valued Americans.

Interested to know your view on Thatcher? Trump loves often also Maggie lovers even though she oversaw the anhiliation of our industrial base.

Ok something of a non sequitur

If Trump was going to associate himself with any premier league side, it would be the one with the fancy name.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Countless examples of so called fraud posted on Trump and his kids social media have already been debunked. Doesn't that tell you something about their motivations? I'm sure there are isolated cases of fraud in all election, but there's clearly nothing so far that lends itself to the kind of fantasy that looks to have gripped some. [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link]

It's worth noting that Biden handily beat Hilary's 2016 vote count in almost every State, so this swing state focus is detached from wider facts about the election. Unless a claim is being made that there was - pointlessly - massive fraud in every single US state (even ones where it made no difference), in which case we approach QANON level logic. But by all means look into any significant claim.

Trump always said he'd only accept the election results 'if he won', and he's true to his word. 2016 was a 'fraud' too until he released he'd won. If more Republicans than Dems had intended to vote via post he'd have never said a single word about it, and would've instead been harping on about he's sure there's been widespread voting machine hacking. He doesn't mentally make room for a losing outcome; even if that's the reality. Anyone who genuinely buys into this grifter's spiel should be grateful for their own mental health that he's on his way out of the door.

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No I don't know anything of the sort. Not at the level that needs immediate lawsuits. There will always be the odd mistake or deliberate attempt at fraud. However, they could come from BOTH sides and cannot possibly impact the final result anyway. The time to learn lessons is much later, after the thorough appraisal that will follow. No widespread fraud has been seen by any observer, GOP, Democrat or international.

The only justification in holding any kind of investigation is to reassure those taken in by Trump's rhetoric. The Democrats have nothing at all to fear from the truth being shown in total clarity. The frustration is that it delays work that is important during a crisis.

None of that though is what I was describing. Trump is using this delay to settle scores and disrupt the machinery of government. He is not acting as a President. He is acting like a spoilt child who thinks he is a dictator. It's dangerous and it has to be stopped.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Trump has engineered a mass exodus away from Twitter.

And Parler will be the new thing.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford