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cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Jun 20 2.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Are they welcoming to all-comers like the BLM

BAME why not.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 20 2.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Are they welcoming to all-comers like the BLM ones?

Shows your prejudice that, of course they do.

 


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Cpfc1861 Flag 17 Jun 20 2.34pm Send a Private Message to Cpfc1861 Add Cpfc1861 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Are they welcoming to all-comers like the BLM ones?

A decent amount of DFLA were black on Saturday they had no issues it's not about colour it never has been its politics and liberals use colour and emotion to create the world as they see it those who are BAME who are not fooled by the bulls*** walk with us.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Jun 20 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Absolutely maple. No one I have read on here anyway has anything but a want to reduce prejudice and if it can be done without positive discrimination then go for it. Why is it a protest and not a conversation. Maybe you should be asking the 'hard left whites' why they are so interested. If this was blacks only then I am not at all suspicious of their wants and needs. Just look at how the list has increased of demands. Outside of a fair crack and maybe a bit of possible although very very tiny I would guess, racism from the police what is going down that radical road going to do. I did ask when you last had to intervene personally and you didnt answer. Why didnt you.
You see how it is so difficult to discuss. I have read and read my post here and I just know to some like Berlin it will seem to be racist. Difficult issues need difficult discussions.
Silence is not compliance.

Your post is fine except the last line which is just plain wrong.

I didn't see your point about last intervening, about a month ago in a selection process

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 20 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

How many times do I have to say. I know that was his view. He meant - and was clear about this - the lip service types who actually do almost nothing but just try to maintain the status quo with small gains. That doesn't mean he though white people had no place in the movement as far as I can see.

If that was true then you wouldn't have posted this at me.

'Really? I would like to see your proof.'

Then when I show you that direct proof that he had more contempt for white liberals than anyone else.....Even when the man directly said it. You want to pretend you were making a different point.

I contend that you don't do your reputation for disingenuous commentary any good with this.

As for Malcom X being ok with whites in 'the movement', which for him would mean the 'nation of Islam', I find that difficult to believe. If you know differently to that I'd like to know.

For most of his life X opposed integration and was a separatist.

Malcolm X is recorded as celebrating the deaths of an air crash because the victims were all whites.

Personally, I very much doubt he'd welcome the likes of you.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Jun 20 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Absolutely maple. No one I have read on here anyway has anything but a want to reduce prejudice and if it can be done without positive discrimination then go for it. Why is it a protest and not a conversation. Maybe you should be asking the 'hard left whites' why they are so interested. If this was blacks only then I am not at all suspicious of their wants and needs. Just look at how the list has increased of demands. Outside of a fair crack and maybe a bit of possible although very very tiny I would guess, racism from the police what is going down that radical road going to do. I did ask when you last had to intervene personally and you didnt answer. Why didnt you.
You see how it is so difficult to discuss. I have read and read my post here and I just know to some like Berlin it will seem to be racist. Difficult issues need difficult discussions.
Silence is not compliance.

We must move towards a meritocracy, not away from it. A majority will vote against positive discrimination everywhere anyway, for now.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Jun 2020 2.37pm)

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Jun 20 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Shows your prejudice that, of course they do.

I suppose you mean they are. Do you see many Muslims at their rallies?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Jun 20 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If that was true then you wouldn't have posted this at me.

'Really? I would like to see your proof.'

Then when I show you that direct proof that he had more contempt for white liberals than anyone else.....Even when the man directly said it. You want to pretend you were making a different point.

I contend that you don't do your reputation for disingenuous commentary any good with this.

As for Malcom X being ok with whites in 'the movement', which for him would mean the 'nation of Islam', I find that difficult to believe. If you know differently to that I'd like to know.

For most of his life X opposed integration and was a separatist.

Malcolm X is recorded as celebrating the deaths of an air crash because the victims were all whites.

Personally, I very much doubt he'd welcome the likes of you.

I give up with you, simply spinning on a sixpence

As I recall you spoke of Antifa. Frankly I know little about them but I doubt they are the liberals of which Malcolm spoke.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 20 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I give up with you, simply spinning on a sixpence

As I recall you spoke of Antifa. Frankly I know little about them but I doubt they are the liberals of which Malcolm spoke.

Wow.

Ignoring that projection and moving on to your Antifa point, I think it's fair to contextualize X to within his time....you know, the opposite to how the far left do with statues.

However, what we can directly say about X, is that he held white liberals to be the worst enemies of blacks.

Still, as Antifa aren't 'white liberals' I think it's fair to leave that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2020 2.44pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 20 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I suppose you mean they are. Do you see many Muslims at their rallies?

No, but they certainly aren't banned.

He does have the support of some ex Muslims and rather famously Imam Tawhidi who has posted in support of him.

Here is their interview together.....perhaps you should watch it.

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Jun 20 4.30pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Your post is fine except the last line which is just plain wrong.

I didn't see your point about last intervening, about a month ago in a selection process

Let me explain in plain language.
If I see or hear it I will intervene and have done in the past.
How is that staying silent. Because I dont go to protests or carry a blm flag it doesnt mean I'm complicit in making racism ok.. Can you disect that few lines?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Jun 20 4.38pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Let me explain in plain language.
If I see or hear it I will intervene and have done in the past.
How is that staying silent. Because I dont go to protests or carry a blm flag it doesnt mean I'm complicit in making racism ok.. Can you disect that few lines?

Which part do you want me to cut out and examine?

I say that if you only sit on your hands and simply call out racism when you see it live then you are indeed complicit. It exists but for many of us not under our noses much of the time. Do you stand by in such circumstances? Maybe in the same way as Rwanda or the Rohingyas, none of our business eh?

Edited by Mapletree (17 Jun 2020 4.39pm)

 

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