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 matt_himself  Matataland 08 Jun 16 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Thank you. I think hoof has answered many times over why Compo's sudden and dramatic U turn (biggest one since Nugent had a job getting out of sainsburys car park makes him and the party a laughing stock. You can't bang on vehemently for 40 odd years about how utterly shyte you think something is, to then, in the blink of an eye, change your tune to entirely the complete and utter polar opposite, without people questioning your motives for doing so. That and the fact he shagged that racist pig Abbott make him as trustworthy as a wolf baby sitting a chicken coup. Exactly. 'Straight talking, honest politics' it isn't. It is politics. He wants to throw water on a Tory oil fire and Stoke division. The oldest political chicanery in the book.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Jun 16 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Exactly. 'Straight talking, honest politics' it isn't. It is politics. He wants to throw water on a Tory oil fire and Stoke division. The oldest political chicanery in the book. I agree, it was a political decision by Corbyn, plain and simple. I also agree that it's difficult for him to continue to portray himself as this anti-establishment, straight-talking politician, given that decision. Having said that, I think it's an easily justifiable move from him - he's in a better position now to make genuine change than he ever has been - to throw that all away for the sake of an opinion, is pretty moronic. Choose your battles and all that.
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| Hoof Hearted 08 Jun 16 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I might accept this if you didn't just agree with dannyh and matt_himself who said exactly what I said, but you took issue with me saying it..... adding little insults like "it's a simple concept" for good measure. I'm not stupid, and know when someone is trying to undermine me.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Jun 16 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I agree - but I think his motives for doing so are very obvious; his only other alternative is to resign. So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing.
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 Jun 16 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing. Cue Gusset saying something like 'the majority of Labour supporters want to Remain', despite the fact that Labour members haven't voted on it. It all political bollocks and Corbyn is no better than any of them but at least removes the facade of 'doing things differently' that he has peddled for months.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Jun 16 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing. I think that's a bit hyperbolic - he made a decision to bite his tongue on this, to extend his chances of remaining leader - it's impossible for us to know whether he did this for the sake of position and power, or because he knows he can have far greater influence in the future if he concedes on this particular issue. Corbyn's motives are impossible for us to know, but I think his decision is entirely understandable either way. As for how that makes him any better than the others, I've never claimed that he is.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Jun 16 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing. Quite agree, but then that's politics isn't it. You get in with the best of intentions, and as soon as you get nearer any real power, you increasingly become corrupted. Its easy to be idealistic when you distanced from the centre, the closer you get to the centre of power, the more you compromise, and the more you compromise, the further you move from your own self. Personally, I think its all a sham, because the issue isn't whether the UK should remain in the EU, but what how the remain and exit parties will use those positions to the benefit of the UK citizens.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 10.47am |
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Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday.
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| npn Crowborough 17 Jun 16 11.25am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday. I think a lot of that would be the Sadique Khan effect. But regardless, purpose of the post - how many nutter raving loony types are there in Tooting? Des Coke (Christian People's Party) - 164 the bloke who got beaten by "Give me back Elmo" must be gutted!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 11.29am |
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Originally posted by npn
I think a lot of that would be the Sadique Khan effect. But regardless, purpose of the post - how many nutter raving loony types are there in Tooting? Des Coke (Christian People's Party) - 164 the bloke who got beaten by "Give me back Elmo" must be gutted! Is the last one related to neill?
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Jun 16 11.32am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday. If Labour had put up a slug with a Red Rosette and said it's name was Khan it would still have won. Labour aren't on the slide in areas like Tooting. Labour aren't making inroads in constituencies where it matters. You made the same mistake in May believing that Mayoral victories in London and Bristol was success but many of us pointed out then, that at that stage Labour needed to gain Council seats in their 100's but failed to do so. Whilst I admire your optimism, I fear that it is grossly misplaced as the perfect conditions are in place for a surge in Labour's popularity with the common voter, but they are still turning away from Corbyn. Still, you believe what you want.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
If Labour had put up a slug with a Red Rosette and said it's name was Khan it would still have won. Labour aren't on the slide in areas like Tooting. Labour aren't making inroads in constituencies where it matters. You made the same mistake in May believing that Mayoral victories in London and Bristol was success but many of us pointed out then, that at that stage Labour needed to gain Council seats in their 100's but failed to do so. Whilst I admire your optimism, I fear that it is grossly misplaced as the perfect conditions are in place for a surge in Labour's popularity with the common voter, but they are still turning away from Corbyn. Still, you believe what you want. If the press are to believed, one would have expected the labour share of the vote to go down...
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