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jamiemartin721  Reading 14 Jun 16 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
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 Kermit8  Hevon 14 Jun 16 12.03pm |
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The biggest pressure on our services is millions of people refusing to die at 80 and thinking they have every right to go on until there are 95. Staying in houses and flats that the younger generations could have and taking up hospital time. Fatsos and smokers are up there in the blame stakes too. So if you are old, fat and smoke - you b@stard.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Jun 16 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The biggest pressure on our services is millions of people refusing to die at 80 and thinking they have every right to go on until there are 95. Staying in houses and flats that the younger generations could have and taking up hospital time. Fatsos and smokers are up there in the blame stakes too. So if you are old, fat and smoke - you b@stard. First of all that made me laugh. However you seem pretty much indicative of the remain campaign at the moment, in that you clutching like fcuk on to slime covered straws.
Edited by dannyh (14 Jun 2016 12.12pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 16 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The biggest pressure on our services is millions of people refusing to die at 80 and thinking they have every right to go on until there are 95. Staying in houses and flats that the younger generations could have and taking up hospital time. Fatsos and smokers are up there in the blame stakes too. So if you are old, fat and smoke - you b@stard.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 16 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This however isn't due to migration. Its due to two major factors. Firstly cuts in public spending and NHS funding, but more importantly the failure of successive governments to tax the increased profit generated by companies that have massively benefitted from EU migration. Its this second factor, that's most significant. Corporations have benefitted from an 'artifically' controlled wages, whilst also receiving cuts in corporation taxes etc - All the while employees effectively haven't really benefitted, due to stagnation of wage demands. All three of these factors represent a reduction in revenue in terms of taxation, which should of course been used to boost public services in light of the increased demand. They want you to blame migrants, because the reality is that they're the ones f**king us (and that included Labour and the Conservatives), and not even having the decency to use lube. But we blame the symptom, not the cause, migration. Without looking at the fact that its been used to generate profits, whilst spending has been reduced or frozen and contributions by those corporate interests have been reduced. Come on jamie. All you say might well be true but about cuts and taxation but it just defies the laws of physics to say that rapidly increasing population is not a huge factor when it comes to houses, roads, hospitals etc.
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 14 Jun 16 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The biggest pressure on our services is millions of people refusing to die at 80 and thinking they have every right to go on until there are 95. Staying in houses and flats that the younger generations could have and taking up hospital time. Fatsos and smokers are up there in the blame stakes too. So if you are old, fat and smoke - you b@stard. Grow - McDonalds grew from a single restaurant into the world's largest chain of food restaurants. Supply + demand = growth. Our NHS is massively oversubscribed, underresourced underfunded and crumbling at the knees. Go to your doctors or any hospital waiting room and you will see it is mobed with jobless migrants that do not pay into our system. Spin it all you like, confuse yourself with useless government stats or go look for yourself and you'll see why the NHS is unable to grow, it's out of control, ask NHS staff. Across the NHS, morale is low. Paramedics and ambulance technicians are repeatedly told they are too slow to respond. They don’t do enough. Physiotherapists are to blame for delayed discharges. Healthcare assistants aren’t caring for patients properly. The non-clinical call handlers at NHS 111 are misdiagnosing patients. Patients are avoiding hospitals at the weekend because they don’t think there are any doctors there - people are dying purely because of Mr Cameron, and Mr Hunt got it very wrong. People are dying because of this horrific mess. The sooner the NHS is scrapped, the better. We will have a privatised health system, and we will pay for that with our health insurance. Those who keep eating will have higher premiums. The sooner this happens the better.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Jun 16 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This however isn't due to migration. Its due to two major factors. Firstly cuts in public spending and NHS funding, but more importantly the failure of successive governments to tax the increased profit generated by companies that have massively benefitted from EU migration. Its this second factor, that's most significant. Corporations have benefitted from an 'artifically' controlled wages, whilst also receiving cuts in corporation taxes etc - All the while employees effectively haven't really benefitted, due to stagnation of wage demands. All three of these factors represent a reduction in revenue in terms of taxation, which should of course been used to boost public services in light of the increased demand. They want you to blame migrants, because the reality is that they're the ones f**king us (and that included Labour and the Conservatives), and not even having the decency to use lube. But we blame the symptom, not the cause, migration. Without looking at the fact that its been used to generate profits, whilst spending has been reduced or frozen and contributions by those corporate interests have been reduced. Immigrant labour must have a significant effect on wage inflation for the lower quartile surely Jamie?
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Jun 16 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And what you don't seem to be able to take on board is that the Brexiteers economic projections are much more based on optimistic and somewhat airy-fairy hopes built on nothing more at the moment than hot air and bullishness: 'That'll be an extra £350mill a week for the NHS guv'. Whereas EU economic projections are based are they not on things such as markets, contemporary conditions, future variables, historical flow charts, evidence-based analysis, etc. Real stuff. Have a look a historical EU economic growth predictions over the last 15 or so years. Then let's see if still want to propose the two schools of predictions as being deserving of the same level of critical analysis. That they are both as you think, essentially, the same thing. The EU is real. There are facts and figures from past and present to fall back on when making predictions. Brexit and the future within exists only in your head. Tell you what though. I have a prediction. I predict you will come back with some oh so cutting words to make you feel superior and right. It won't wash though. You may be articulate but you are also blinkered and a bit naive. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Jun 2016 5.32pm) In my paper today there's an article by a professor at Cass business school whose Treasury models observation is that the model also predicted that we would be better of in the euro and that if Scotland had left the UK, their trade with the rest of the UK would have fallen by 80%. He concludes that the models only consider the benefits of staying and the risks of leaving and not the benefits of leaving and the risks of staying.
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| Username Horsham 14 Jun 16 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Grow - McDonalds grew from a single restaurant into the world's largest chain of food restaurants. Supply + demand = growth. Our NHS is massively oversubscribed, underresourced underfunded and crumbling at the knees. Go to your doctors or any hospital waiting room and you will see it is mobed with jobless migrants that do not pay into our system. Spin it all you like, confuse yourself with useless government stats or go look for yourself and you'll see why the NHS is unable to grow, it's out of control, ask NHS staff. Across the NHS, morale is low. Paramedics and ambulance technicians are repeatedly told they are too slow to respond. They don’t do enough. Physiotherapists are to blame for delayed discharges. Healthcare assistants aren’t caring for patients properly. The non-clinical call handlers at NHS 111 are misdiagnosing patients. Patients are avoiding hospitals at the weekend because they don’t think there are any doctors there - people are dying purely because of Mr Cameron, and Mr Hunt got it very wrong. People are dying because of this horrific mess. The sooner the NHS is scrapped, the better. We will have a privatised health system, and we will pay for that with our health insurance. Those who keep eating will have higher premiums. The sooner this happens the better. Yeah, not like America has been widely ridiculed for it's healthcare system is it?
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| Username Horsham 14 Jun 16 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not another maths denier. Sit down somewhere quiet and just think about how daft that statement is. And then apply the same thoughts to Jobs, houses and transport. In Remain/lefty world, we can just keep building more houses, create more jobs. build more roads, and pump more money into the NHS to cope with the 300k plus people who come here every year. You do understand the concept of finite don't you? Or do you want Britain to look like a piece of the Death Star?
What happens when we as a result of Brexit, the 1 million (often retired) older Brits living in Spain come back? Don't you think that's going to have a bigger effect on the NHS when they need to be cared for as well, as opposed to younger, working migrants who contribute to the NHS when paying taxes and frequently work in the service themselves?
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| Stuk Top half 14 Jun 16 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Username
What happens when we as a result of Brexit, the 1 million (often retired) older Brits living in Spain come back? Don't you think that's going to have a bigger effect on the NHS when they need to be cared for as well, as opposed to younger, working migrants who contribute to the NHS when paying taxes and frequently work in the service themselves? I do love an exaggeration. There are 1.3m Brits in the entire EU, and approx. 320K in Spain. None of them will come home as they cost the Spanish nothing, their pensions come from the UK and most of them have private healthcare should they lose EHIC. Spain isn't kicking out anyone who is self-sufficient and therefore a net contributor, when half of the country's young are unemployed.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 16 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by Username
What happens when we as a result of Brexit, the 1 million (often retired) older Brits living in Spain come back? Don't you think that's going to have a bigger effect on the NHS when they need to be cared for as well, as opposed to younger, working migrants who contribute to the NHS when paying taxes and frequently work in the service themselves? Ha ha. So it's OK for Britain to fill up with Europeans as long as those Europeans aren't aging expats.
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