Fair enough. I don’t read the Mail and haven’t seen it mentioned elsewhere.

Worrying though.

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Then you have misunderstood what I was referring to.

Which wasn’t the number of hospital admissions but the number of those who were unvaccinated without having a cultural hesitancy as the reason.

If 35% of the admissions, whatever the total was, came from just 7% of the people those facts alone tell all we need to know.

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said on July 21, 2021. - Misinformation. It was hardly early on.

Stop making excuses for your pal sleepy joe. He provided misinformation to the public.

Hospital admissions from all types of life styles are a fact of life.

Many people don't take the flu vaccine and catch the flu and some die of it. Some take the flu vaccine and die anyway because like the covid vaccine it's not a silver bullet and never was.

Some people eat cake, take drugs or smoke or drink too much. We do not spend our time adding up who spends what time in a hospital and how deserved they are. The NHS was not designed for that purpose. Sure, people give advice and I believe that healthy choices should be advocated for. However, the whole point of freedom is the actual freedom itself.

If someone has doubts over a vaccine it's not selfish to not have it. Their decisions of what to put into their own body comes at their own risk assessment. Whether they want to farm that responsibility out is up to them.

There are concerns and if someone has doubts over how these vaccines were developed and the disingenuous language used around it and how the government and the establishment pushed and compelled people then....in my view....that's perfectly valid.

Personally, with some genuine exceptions, I only have to look at the characters of the people most concerned that I took the vaccines. Some of the worst slimes out there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Aug 2023 1.52am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Vaccines do not stop infection, or capability to transmit.
It reduces the impact of symptoms for most people, and this was done to reduce hospital admissions of Covid.

I know friends who had their treatment/operations for other ailments interrupted or postponed. Tis was the impact that Covid had on the NHS. Thankfully all my friends treatments were subsequently continued and were successful. Others were not so lucky.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (22 Aug 2023 6.51am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

True, to a degree.

Vaccines train the immune system to overcome an infection. With a respiratory virus like Covid it will reduce the capacity to transmit by reducing the severity of the disease in those infected. It’s better explained here:-

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