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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 23 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
This is the point. Brexit was a fantastic opportunity for the UK to fast-track itself into a leading position. Huge advantages but it required bold application. Saw an article in today's Guardian in which Lord Frost, the previous lead Brexit negotiator, questioned why the hell a Conservative Government, with the majority it has gained on the back of a solid Leave mandate, is having cross party talks? They want us back in. It is as simple as that. The Conservatives, with that majority won on the basis of getting Brexit done and sacking many of the leading Remain voices from their own side in the run could have done whatever they wanted. You name it, they could have done it. And instead, almost nothing at all. Apart from leading the charge to stop Ukraine reaching a peace accord with Russia. In effect, prolonging that almighty s*** storm. People need to wake up this. The Tories could have done all kinds of things. Instead, nothing. Literally SFA. Now I personally think the economic predictions for the next year, like so many other economic predictions, will prove utterly wrong (again) but what is obvious is that the political elite of this country want us firmly back inside of the EU (and not, in my opinion, because it wants to help the EU get stronger). Outside of a revolution, in every sense of the word, we are heading back in within the next 10 years. Potentially sooner with my prediction some kind of second ref in 2026 predicated on the notion that people have had a decade to make their minds up with the option of effectively a new deal that ties us fully into the free market and customs union against rejoining with the EU welcoming us (and more importantly the cash) with open arms. The only "fantastic opportunity" that Brexit ever offered was to lay to rest for ever the idea that Britain in the 21st century can succeed alone, and to consign the ideologues who cling to the notion that we can to the history books. What a cost we are paying though to establish as fact what looked blindingly obvious to many of us back in 2016, some of whom fought tooth and nail to avoid us committing national suicide. That Nigel Farage's name will eventually be found on the same page in history books as William Joyce and Oswald Mosely is no compensation. At least the above now begins to recognise that a pathway is beginning to emerge which will lead to an initial compromise and eventually to a resumption of full membership. We need to be in the EU. The EU needs us to be in the EU. The world needs us to be in the EU. We need to be helping to identify the weaknesses and find ways to reform. Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy, whichever political system is targetted. We do it here all the time. The bottom line is what actually works best and looking at the overall picture there appears to be no doubt that the EU delivers. YouGov have a lot of data about how attitudes have changed, which continues. This is but one:-
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cryrst The garden of England 14 Feb 23 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The only "fantastic opportunity" that Brexit ever offered was to lay to rest for ever the idea that Britain in the 21st century can succeed alone, and to consign the ideologues who cling to the notion that we can to the history books. What a cost we are paying though to establish as fact what looked blindingly obvious to many of us back in 2016, some of whom fought tooth and nail to avoid us committing national suicide. That Nigel Farage's name will eventually be found on the same page in history books as William Joyce and Oswald Mosely is no compensation. At least the above now begins to recognise that a pathway is beginning to emerge which will lead to an initial compromise and eventually to a resumption of full membership. We need to be in the EU. The EU needs us to be in the EU. The world needs us to be in the EU. We need to be helping to identify the weaknesses and find ways to reform. Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy, whichever political system is targetted. We do it here all the time. The bottom line is what actually works best and looking at the overall picture there appears to be no doubt that the EU delivers. YouGov have a lot of data about how attitudes have changed, which continues. This is but one:- “Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy” your very own words!
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Feb 23 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The only "fantastic opportunity" that Brexit ever offered was to lay to rest for ever the idea that Britain in the 21st century can succeed alone, and to consign the ideologues who cling to the notion that we can to the history books. What a cost we are paying though to establish as fact what looked blindingly obvious to many of us back in 2016, some of whom fought tooth and nail to avoid us committing national suicide. That Nigel Farage's name will eventually be found on the same page in history books as William Joyce and Oswald Mosely is no compensation. At least the above now begins to recognise that a pathway is beginning to emerge which will lead to an initial compromise and eventually to a resumption of full membership. We need to be in the EU. The EU needs us to be in the EU. The world needs us to be in the EU. We need to be helping to identify the weaknesses and find ways to reform. Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy, whichever political system is targetted. We do it here all the time. The bottom line is what actually works best and looking at the overall picture there appears to be no doubt that the EU delivers. YouGov have a lot of data about how attitudes have changed, which continues. This is but one:- Joyce was a traitor and got his just desserts so Fagarge is in that same bracket?
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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Feb 23 11.34am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
“Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy” your very own words! Game, set and match
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 23 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
“Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy” your very own words! No. Brexit isn’t a political system. It’s much more than that. It was a decision to abandon one vision in favour of another carried out via political shenanigans.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 23 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Joyce was a traitor and got his just desserts so Fagarge is in that same bracket? Not in the same bracket but on the same page in history books. Remember, history is always written by the victorious.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Feb 23 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Joyce was a traitor and got his just desserts so Fagarge is in that same bracket? Joyce is buried near me. Relatively controversial in history as he wasn't British but was still killed as a traitor. Not sure anyone was too bothered at the time however.
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Matov 14 Feb 23 12.06pm | |
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I think this offers a fascinating insight into how we are being 'spun' a tale about the EU. Look at how the inflation predictions are presented.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Matov 14 Feb 23 12.08pm | |
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From the Times. A bar chart showing inflation predictions... Attachment: Fo7QVzOWAAAftgJ.jpeg (144.94Kb)
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 14 Feb 23 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
From the Times. A bar chart showing inflation predictions... I can't wait for their letters page tomorrow... Somebody needs to tell the work experience kid not to bother turning up tomorrow.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 14 Feb 23 1.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The only "fantastic opportunity" that Brexit ever offered was to lay to rest for ever the idea that Britain in the 21st century can succeed alone, and to consign the ideologues who cling to the notion that we can to the history books. What a cost we are paying though to establish as fact what looked blindingly obvious to many of us back in 2016, some of whom fought tooth and nail to avoid us committing national suicide. That Nigel Farage's name will eventually be found on the same page in history books as William Joyce and Oswald Mosely is no compensation. At least the above now begins to recognise that a pathway is beginning to emerge which will lead to an initial compromise and eventually to a resumption of full membership. We need to be in the EU. The EU needs us to be in the EU. The world needs us to be in the EU. We need to be helping to identify the weaknesses and find ways to reform. Finding things to criticise is cheap and easy, whichever political system is targetted. We do it here all the time. The bottom line is what actually works best and looking at the overall picture there appears to be no doubt that the EU delivers. YouGov have a lot of data about how attitudes have changed, which continues. This is but one:- Been on the hyperbole tablets again WE? "We need to be in the EU".
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Feb 23 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The ability for us to vote for or against them, unlike the unelected, unaccountable lawmakers of the undemocratic, racketeering EU.
We'll see whether that stance ends up being purely ideological and emotional, rather than logical in a decade or so. The way things are going I'd say we're rapidly veering away from logic
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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