Also, it wouldn't be much of a debate if the opposition just happened to agree with the government - Part of the responsibility of opposition lies in opposing views, and stimulating discourse.

What concerns me more is that no one is talking about what they would do as a result of an exit or remain vote. We really should have a general election before the UK negotiates an exit (minimum of two years). Because what will define whether remain or exit is a 'good idea' will be what a government will do with that power.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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He said Labour were going to nationalise the Railways though and that is expressly forbidden under EU law.

So why is he campaigning to stay in?

Because he represents a party who, for the most part, want to stay in? It's quite a simple idea really.

Why do you suggest they need to 'come clean'? They've made their position quite clear.

Corbyn has to at least appear to support the party ideas, else he's not really representing them is he? The idea that Corbyn can publicly state he disagrees with the party, whilst they campaign to remain, is completely unrealistic, and would lead to even more backlash than we're seeing now.

Call it what you want, but I think if you're being totally honest, you know this is a weak argument.

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Jeremy Corbyn is not as radical or unpopular as the mainstreaam media try to portray him

Worth a read, as it gives a left wing viewpoint.
One of the main tenets of the argument, other than the way the media frames debates ( Corbyn is always described as left wing whilst Cameron, whose parties policies are way to the right of even Thatcher, isn't described as right wing) is that Corbyns ideas have wide public support from both Labour and Tory voters as well as the floating voters.

Evidence of this can be found here in a yougov survey.

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Labour’s plan to freeze energy prices for 20 months has re-ignited the debate over the role of the government in markets, with Conservatives arguing intervention is a ‘con’ while Labour claim the state should ‘reset’ the market. Shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh has even suggested Labour are open to re-nationalising train services.

68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately. The British people also tend strongly to prefer a publicly-run National Health Service (as it is now) and a publicly-run Royal Mail (as it was until last year).

You're missing the point, having just commented on my one post... as you usually do.

I have been at pains to point out that Corbyn does himself and his party no favours at all by his actions, and completely doing a u turn on the EU after 40+ years of hostile criticism of it's bureaucracy makes him look stupid. Add in the railways nationalisation and he looks ridiculous.

I don't think my argument is weak at all.

I'm happy to continually criticise Corbyn and Cameron for u turning on their true beliefs about the EU and judging by the polls, I'm not alone in this as the Leave campaign is now ahead in at least one poll after being well behind in all of them previously.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (07 Jun 2016 5.25pm)