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Matov 02 Apr 19 11.45am | |
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My reading of things as they stand is this. Mays Deal. There is no more mileage in any further delay, from either the EU's pov or ours and with right-wing parties on schedule to do well as things stands in the upcoming EU elections, then I cannot imagine them wanting a UK sending a stream of new anti-EU politicians to Brussels/Strasbourg (just that ludicrous dual Parliament reality tells you all you need to know about how s*** the EU is). Mays deal is dead in the water, assuming neither Labour or the SNP perform a complete U turn, given that the DUP seem adament along with an ERG group that even those who voted for her deal last time now seem contrite about remain adamently opposed. Leaving us No Deal, as the default, or some kind of Revoke intervention which I am not sure is even possible without Government support. I guess the only way to prevent No Deal as matters stand is for the Government to lose a vote of no confidence. Which requires Tories to effectively eat their own. I had lost hope about No Deal but now perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel. Edited by Matov (02 Apr 2019 11.46am)
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jeeagles 02 Apr 19 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
My reading of things as they stand is this. Mays Deal. There is no more mileage in any further delay, from either the EU's pov or ours and with right-wing parties on schedule to do well as things stands in the upcoming EU elections, then I cannot imagine them wanting a UK sending a stream of new anti-EU politicians to Brussels/Strasbourg (just that ludicrous dual Parliament reality tells you all you need to know about how s*** the EU is). Mays deal is dead in the water, assuming neither Labour or the SNP perform a complete U turn, given that the DUP seem adament along with an ERG group that even those who voted for her deal last time now seem contrite about remain adamently opposed. Leaving us No Deal, as the default, or some kind of Revoke intervention which I am not sure is even possible without Government support. I guess the only way to prevent No Deal as matters stand is for the Government to lose a vote of no confidence. Which requires Tories to effectively eat their own. I had lost hope about No Deal but now perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel. Edited by Matov (02 Apr 2019 11.46am) Would say a long extension option which will take us into the EU elections. No deal and remaining in during the EU elections are probably what the EU want least. Especially with elections looming. Leave campaigners would be wise to highlight the benefits of this to leave voters. Can't see May's deal getting through without a major concession like dropping the backstop. Can't see revoke happening at least without a second referendum. Can't guarantee a second referendum would have a different outcome. Can guarantee a second referendum will be even more divisive than the first. Edited by jeeagles (02 Apr 2019 12.23pm)
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Matov 02 Apr 19 12.57pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Can't see revoke happening at least without a second referendum. Can't guarantee a second referendum would have a different outcome. Can guarantee a second referendum will be even more divisive than the first. Edited by jeeagles (02 Apr 2019 12.23pm) A second referendum solves nothing. Merely adds fuel to the fire with consequences that do not bear considering. If the result on June 23rd is ignored, then any further such exercises in democracy have zero legitimacy. And if there is a mass boycott, then it descends into farce. If Remainers refuse to accept the result of a referendum with the turn out on June 23rd, then why would anybody treat any subsequent one, with less people taking part, any more seriously? Yes, we might remain in the EU but it leads to DECADES of conflict in every conceivable way.
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Pussay Patrol 02 Apr 19 1.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
A second referendum solves nothing. Merely adds fuel to the fire with consequences that do not bear considering. If the result on June 23rd is ignored, then any further such exercises in democracy have zero legitimacy. And if there is a mass boycott, then it descends into farce. If Remainers refuse to accept the result of a referendum with the turn out on June 23rd, then why would anybody treat any subsequent one, with less people taking part, any more seriously? Yes, we might remain in the EU but it leads to DECADES of conflict in every conceivable way. Here's a little reality check Attachment: FB_IMG_1554112706610.jpg (71.56Kb)
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Ghostship Norfolk 02 Apr 19 1.13pm | |
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Roll on April 12th when this will be hopefully resolved and we will be out of the EU shackles and we can get on with our lives without this circus of Brexit although I dare say the remoaners will be throwing their toys out of the pram for a good few years more.
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dannyboy1978 02 Apr 19 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Here's a little reality check Didn't you want a second referendum?
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dannyboy1978 02 Apr 19 1.16pm | |
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Bring on the no deal.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Apr 19 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It was started by Thatcher 'we have to have someone to blame' after her chancellor Lawsons ERM cock-up. Get it off your desk, privatise it, get rid of it so it is not your fault, that's how the tories operate. Knife crime? Who can we blame? The teaching profession it is really like that. Lawson is doing well out of brexit - loads of lolly and a nice life in France as a 'silver spoon' tory grandee. On form this morning And long after that didn’t labour want us to join the euro?
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Midlands Eagle 02 Apr 19 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Here's a little reality check The Prime Minister at the time pledged that the Government would honour the results of the referendum so that's just more trolling from you
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Spiderman Horsham 02 Apr 19 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Although he may have been intellectually pro - Lawson had gone by then. John Major took us into the mechanism and Norman Lamont was Chancellor when it all went wrong. Steeleye posting incorrect facts! Surely not!!
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Pussay Patrol 02 Apr 19 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The Prime Minister at the time pledged that the Government would honour the results of the referendum so that's just more trolling from you Well if we've learnt anything these last few years it's don't listen to politicians and stick to the facts. It's all there in the white paper
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Maine Eagle USA 02 Apr 19 1.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The Prime Minister at the time pledged that the Government would honour the results of the referendum so that's just more trolling from you She did, and she is sticking to her guns so far on that one. She also said that without any shadow of a doubt we would definitely leave the EU in March. She also said there was no way she was calling a snap election, right before calling one. She is basically trying but she is failing, 3 years on and we are further away from brexit now than the day after the vote. If by some miracle her deal is passed, this will all be over and that version of Brexit will be delivered. If not, she knows that no deal is not acceptable to big business, to the majority in the house, to most of the EU, so it’s extremely unlikely that we leave with no deal. Once we reach that point she has to justify an extension by promising some kind of democratic event. If polling supports it she may call an election but that didn’t exactly work out last time, and another hung parliament solves little anyway. It’s the same as in the branches of government here, no majority across senate and house and it’s much harder to get anything done. So what then, there would only be one option left then.
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