Would what qualify? I don't recall getting into a "tangle" although others seem to spend a lot of time trying to trip me up, which is a little bit sad.

I admit to straying into ad hominem territory myself from time to time but only as a reaction to tedious personal attacks.

I have managed quite a lot in my life. I have been the MD of two UK subsidiaries of well known international businesses, whose names and products will be known to you. In fact, you may well have some of those products in your cupboard right now. You can add to that my ownership of two businesses of my own and the employment that gave, and still gives, to many people. I have been the President of a national trade association. Oh, and managed to create a family in my spare time!

Congratulations Wisbech. You have been a busy chap.
Sadly, that has no bearing on your capacity to delude yourself.
In fact, it is my experience that the most successful people tend to have the most closed minds.

Nearly one week on from election, highlights of the denial so far include -

- Rudy Giuliani accidentally booking Four Seasons - Total Landscaping for a press conference (thinking it was Four Seasons hotel), to bring out a convicted child sex offender Daryl Brooks to testify to seeing illegal activity at one of the counts (interesting to see QAnon silent on this...).

- Steven Crowder telling his audience about a suspicious white van delivering a package of illegal ballots to a counting centre, for it to then come out that it was a film crew using a wagon to move their camera.

- Trump supporters in two different states chanting 'Stop the Count' and 'Count the votes' at the same time depending on Trump being in front or behind in the count.

- Tucker Carlson claiming that the left will mandate everyone to drink Starbucks coffee and they won't be able to drink from their local corner shop coffee anymore. To be fair, their is a whole page in the communist manifesto dedicated to corporate coffee juggernauts.

It's truly depressing seeing the options America were given at this election, but seeing the man who claimed the vote was rigged when he didn't win an Emmy for The Apprentice reaching for the same playbook, having a mild breakdown and refusing to concede does soften the blow somewhat. Let's hope that Biden does something for working class people of America like a minimum wage otherwise I fear for who the next Trump wannabee will be in four years. Time will tell.

Edited by SavoyTruffle (11 Nov 2020 12.56pm)

Yeah, because reading posts like yours that take the p1ss out of them is really going to endear them to your side of politics.....about as realistic as your grasp of economies.

The left have spent four years screaming over Trump, saying he was illegitimate and now, all of a sudden it's take the p1ss when they get it back.

But carry on, that kind of smug, arrogant above it all manner plays really well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2020 1.39pm)

My post is just stating things that have happened over the last week... I'm taking the mick out of the right wing talking heads who are doing the exact same thing they complained the democratic establishment did for the last four years. Hilary couldn't face the fact she ran a terrible campaign and lost to a bad candidate, Trump and the people that surround him are doing the exact same now.

If you were to look back at any of my posts re: Russia you will see I always thought it was a way for the democrats to save face, the same is happening now with the GOP.

I'm not trying to endear myself to anyone, you don't win voters by being nice as Trump showed. You win people with policy, politics should be fought in the trenches (metaphorically of course). Plus last time I checked I'm not a Democratic campaign strategist so my posts on HOL are irrelevant. Ironic though that if this is your view point and you wish to endear yourself, you end that paragraph with an insult on my economic literacy despite having no knowledge of it...

I'm not being smug just soaking in the hilarity of those moments, which you've conveniently ignored in favour of clutching at your pearls. I don't remember the same pearl clutching when people were doing victory laps in December last year after a Tory landslide, quite the opposite.

The fact is, despite Biden offering no credible vision, overwhelmingly independents and typical non voters came out to vote out Trump because they saw through his act, there is hope in that. However there is very little to celebrate following this election because Trump still solidified and increased his base. Trump was defeated but the ideology was not, that's why if in four years time, if the Dems don't offer a credible alternative that speaks to his base through policy, they will lose to a Tucker Carlson style candidate.