I did intend to re-run, for the umpteenth time the entire messages on a bus v Project fear by way of discussing this issue of misinformation but no point. It has been done 100's of times and nobody is changing their mind.

But lets assume that we get Labours second referendum with two options. Remain and stay in the single market, customs union and hang onto to freedom of movement or Leave but stay in the single market, customs union and hang onto freedom of movement. And a different franchise with EU citizens and kids allowed to vote.

And Remain, surprise surprise 'wins'.

How does that actually solve anything?

I will boycott it and refuse to accept the outcome. As I believe 10's of millions of others will also do. What of us? Do you think we crawl back into our bottles and just accept that our votes on June 23rd 2016 were a waste of time? Do you think Farage goes away? Do you honestly think that we as a nation can move forward on the back of it?

Because there will be a voice emerging. Telling us, with evidential justification, that voting is pointless because nobody takes any notice of us. That perhaps England is better off out of the Union. That perhaps our Parliamentary system of democracy, along with an 'independent' judiciary that sort at every opportunity to ignore our votes on June 23rd needs replacing. No longer fit for purpose when put to the ultimate test of representing the will of the people. How would you counter that? Tell us that voting changes things?

Why should I ever play by the rules again if the rules can be changed to sort the whims of a losing side? Because on June 23rd the Remain side lost. 52 beats 48 as a % every single time. 17 million plus votes is a larger figure than 16 million plus.

We were told the result would be implemented. No ifs, no buts. And you want to f*** with that and not expect the direst of outcomes? Seriously?

How in anyway does Labours proposal put any Genie back in the bottle?

Edited by Matov (11 Dec 2019 3.03pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

It's funny how the old discipline crumbles around mid December.
I have got big meal occasions every weekend now through till the new year plus Christmas Eve, Day and Boxing day.
I'm trying to be good inbetween but I need to keep my strength up for the election all nighter.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Dec 2019 3.09pm)

Interesting analysis from Sir John Curtis about the key electoral battlegrounds. He is always worth listening to.

[Link]

I believe the BBC is biased towards the left however if I was a lefty I would complain about his article.

It is mainly about how the Tories can win or lose there is very little positive in there about how Labour can win. Unless of course he believes the result is obvious.

One more point

LOL. Usually, I would do the same but not sure I can cope with this one.

Absolutely done in with democracy at the moment. My faith in the voting process has been absolutely shaken to its very core. And if it looks like anything other than a Tory majority then thought of having to watch the BBC trotting out w***er after w***er salivating at the thought of chucking my vote on June 23rd 2016 into the bin then I reckon I will burst a blood vessel.

But if I wake up in the morning and it is clear that Brexit is going to be sabotaged, then it will be crystal cold water running through my veins. Need the step back from the process because tomorrow could be the last time I ever vote, at least in this current system.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

To be fair to the BBC, at least in General Elections, then their exit poll at 10pm is usually pretty indicative of how it will pan out. Will be watching that and then seeing how it works out.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Good call. I used to stay up late but can't be bothered these days. The bits I like best on election night is the MPs who get it wildly wrong. It's 5 mins to go before the polls close what do you think "Landslide for my party". 4am in the morning "humble pie anyone?"

One more point