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lefty27 ipswich 12 Oct 18 5.57pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio You did serve ? Coffee or tea ? No I didn’t. My brother in law does though he is a steward in the raf. Has done tours of Afghan and Iraq been to a lot of dangerous places. I bet he has done a lot more in service of his country than you have. He isn’t a massive fan of TR either.
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lefty27

ipswich 12 Oct 18 5.57pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

You did serve ? Coffee or tea ?

No I didn’t.
My brother in law does though he is a steward in the raf. Has done tours of Afghan and Iraq been to a lot of dangerous places. I bet he has done a lot more in service of his country than you have.
He isn’t a massive fan of TR either.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 6.02pm
Originally posted by lefty27 No I didn’t. My brother in law does though he is a steward in the raf. Has done tours of Afghan and Iraq been to a lot of dangerous places. I bet he has done a lot more in service of his country than you have. He isn’t a massive fan of TR either. It isn't a requirement nor is it an impediment. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 6.02pm

Originally posted by lefty27

It isn't a requirement nor is it an impediment.

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lefty27 ipswich 12 Oct 18 6.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Just another thing you have got wrong. [Link] There is nothing saying you can't join a political party plus you can attend political meetings just as long as you aren't representing the Army.....as in wearing a uniform. I’m not going to read 300 odd pages Stirling and neither of us are military lawyers. Im pretty sure being a member of a political party and taking an active part the affairs of a political party could be argued to be the same thing.
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ipswich 12 Oct 18 6.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Just another thing you have got wrong.

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There is nothing saying you can't join a political party plus you can attend political meetings just as long as you aren't representing the Army.....as in wearing a uniform.

I’m not going to read 300 odd pages Stirling and neither of us are military lawyers. Im pretty sure being a member of a political party and taking an active part the affairs of a political party could be argued to be the same thing.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 6.14pm
Originally posted by lefty27 I’m not going to read 300 odd pages Stirling and neither of us are military lawyers. Im pretty sure being a member of a political party and taking an active part the affairs of a political party could be argued to be the same thing. Here's a clue . If joining a party were illegal then it would direct state it. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 6.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 6.14pm

Originally posted by lefty27

Here's a clue . If joining a party were illegal then it would direct state it.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 6.14pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Oct 18 6.17pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 OI . . . I resemble that remark. Is it true that the preferred method of separating the men from the boys in the navy is with a crowbar? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 12 Oct 18 6.17pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

OI . . . I resemble that remark.

Is it true that the preferred method of separating the men from the boys in the navy is with a crowbar?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Oct 18 6.30pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Is it true that the preferred method of separating the men from the boys in the navy is with a crowbar? In the 'olden' days it was only for the 'snotties; finding the 'Golden Rivet', in the Modern Navy, there's ample supply of your favourite, Boy Butter! Crowbars, how sooo y/day This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Oct 18 6.30pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Is it true that the preferred method of separating the men from the boys in the navy is with a crowbar?

In the 'olden' days it was only for the 'snotties; finding the 'Golden Rivet', in the Modern Navy, there's ample supply of your favourite, Boy Butter!

Crowbars, how sooo y/day

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 12 Oct 18 6.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Just another thing you have got wrong. [Link] There is nothing saying you can't join a political party plus you can attend political meetings just as long as you aren't representing the Army.....as in wearing a uniform. From what I see that is the Act that sets out all sorts for Reservists, So Territorial Army RAF, Navy, Marine VTR. It is not a copy of Queens Regs. The Forces and all branches of public service do not bar party membership, nor do they bar local activity - say helping campaign for a local election. It is national politics where the bar sits.Add to that the far more subjective test - things that might bring the forces into disrepute. A far more political catch all.... Edited by orpingtoneagle (12 Oct 2018 7.42pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Just another thing you have got wrong.

[Link]

There is nothing saying you can't join a political party plus you can attend political meetings just as long as you aren't representing the Army.....as in wearing a uniform.

From what I see that is the Act that sets out all sorts for Reservists, So Territorial Army RAF, Navy, Marine VTR.

It is not a copy of Queens Regs.

The Forces and all branches of public service do not bar party membership, nor do they bar local activity - say helping campaign for a local election. It is national politics where the bar sits.Add to that the far more subjective test - things that might bring the forces into disrepute. A far more political catch all....

Edited by orpingtoneagle (12 Oct 2018 7.42pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 18 7.14pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle All? The majority maybe but never all we had atrocities perpetrated by Lybians and Iranians to name but a few. The Russians during the cold war carried out actions that also allegedly led to a loss of life. The Irish issue was always going to be at the forefront of people's minds as they stage managed huge actions and lived so very close to home. Do you accept my point or not? Would you have been happier if I'd had said 'almost all'? I mean. Disturbing your sense of absolute accuracy on a discussion thread is a major concern to me.
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

All? The majority maybe but never all we had atrocities perpetrated by Lybians and Iranians to name but a few. The Russians during the cold war carried out actions that also allegedly led to a loss of life.

The Irish issue was always going to be at the forefront of people's minds as they stage managed huge actions and lived so very close to home.

Do you accept my point or not? Would you have been happier if I'd had said 'almost all'?

I mean. Disturbing your sense of absolute accuracy on a discussion thread is a major concern to me.

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 12 Oct 18 7.40pm
Do I accept your point? Depends. I also think that the Irish question is far more com0lex to warrant a yes or no answer as it was one where you would need to clarify what you meant as There were factions both big and little fighting on both sides of the cause. Some wanting separatism some seeking unity. I would agree the Irish question probably more than any other materially affected people's lives in the UK and Northern Island.
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Orpington 12 Oct 18 7.40pm

Do I accept your point? Depends. I also think that the Irish question is far more com0lex to warrant a yes or no answer as it was one where you would need to clarify what you meant as There were factions both big and little fighting on both sides of the cause. Some wanting separatism some seeking unity.

I would agree the Irish question probably more than any other materially affected people's lives in the UK and Northern Island.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 18 8.00pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle Do I accept your point? Depends. I also think that the Irish question is far more com0lex to warrant a yes or no answer as it was one where you would need to clarify what you meant as There were factions both big and little fighting on both sides of the cause. Some wanting separatism some seeking unity. I would agree the Irish question probably more than any other materially affected people's lives in the UK and Northern Island. I'm simply saying that inevitably, Muslims are treated with suspicion and resentment because of the actions of some of their number just like the Irish were. I wasn't getting into the complexities of the Irish troubles.
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Hrolf The Ganger

12 Oct 18 8.00pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I would agree the Irish question probably more than any other materially affected people's lives in the UK and Northern Island.

I'm simply saying that inevitably, Muslims are treated with suspicion and resentment because of the actions of some of their number just like the Irish were.

I wasn't getting into the complexities of the Irish troubles.

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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 8.32pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle Do I accept your point? Depends. I also think that the Irish question is far more com0lex to warrant a yes or no answer as it was one where you would need to clarify what you meant as There were factions both big and little fighting on both sides of the cause. Some wanting separatism some seeking unity. I would agree the Irish question probably more than any other materially affected people's lives in the UK and Northern Island. Once again, comparisons with the Irish are just not on the same scale. The Irish are not creating parallel societies in the UK. The Irish are not demanding their civil disputes be settled via a separate legal process. The Irish are culturally similar to the British. The Irish percent who were terrorists.....whatever we think of the agreement that was reached and the long term price it has.....they could be negotiated with. These are faulty comparisons. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Oct 18 8.32pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

I would agree the Irish question probably more than any other materially affected people's lives in the UK and Northern Island.

Once again, comparisons with the Irish are just not on the same scale.

The Irish are not creating parallel societies in the UK. The Irish are not demanding their civil disputes be settled via a separate legal process.

The Irish are culturally similar to the British.

The Irish percent who were terrorists.....whatever we think of the agreement that was reached and the long term price it has.....they could be negotiated with.

These are faulty comparisons.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Oct 18 9.06pm
It is easy to forget the NI situation before the Good Friday agreement. Like it or not NI has been stable - their people are much more prosperous, really we don't want to take any risks at all here.
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Croydon 12 Oct 18 9.06pm

It is easy to forget the NI situation before the Good Friday agreement.

Like it or not NI has been stable - their people are much more prosperous, really we don't want to take any risks at all here.

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