Labour Manifesto:

The last Labour government
consistently spent above the NATO
benchmark of 2 per cent of GDP.
Conservative spending cuts have put
Britain’s security at risk, shrinking
the army to its smallest size since
the Napoleonic wars. The scrapping
of Nimrod, HMS Ark Royal and the
Harrier jump-jets have weakened
our defences and cost British
taxpayers millions.

Labour’s commitment to spending at
least 2 per cent of GDP on defence
will guarantee that our Armed Forces
have the necessary capabilities to
fulfil the full range of obligations,
and ensure our conventional forces
are versatile and able to deploy in a
range of roles.

Labour supports the renewal of
the Trident nuclear deterrent. As a
nuclear-armed power, our country
has a responsibility to fulfil our
obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation
Treaty. Labour will lead
multilateral efforts with international
partners and the UN to create a
nuclear-free world.

Point one of CND aims:

Elimination of British nuclear weapons and global abolition of nuclear weapons:

Cancellation of Trident by the British government and policy not to replace or enhance Trident nor develop, purchase or deploy other nuclear weapons or allow the deployment of any foreign nuclear weapons on British soil or in British waters.

Labour Manifesto:

The UK has the world’s oldest nuclear
industry, and nuclear will continue to
be part of the UK energy supply. We
will support further nuclear projects
and protect nuclear workers’ jobs
and pensions. There are considerable
opportunities for nuclear power and
decommissioning both internationally
and domestically...

Labour will also retain access to
Euratom, to allow continued trade
of fissile material, with access and
collaboration over research vital
to our nuclear industry.

Point four of CND's aims

The closure of the Nuclear Power Industry

I'm happy I can put your mind at rest on this point that clearly troubles you. Let it do so no longer. You will now be able to vote for a party that puts the 99% first, not the 1%. A party that has a stated commitment to Nuclear weapons and a Nuclear industry. Some of the £250bn national transformation fund is targeted at energy systems and no doubt will go towards renewables, technology and nuclear. What madness!!

If Mrs May continues to the left then by voting Tory we will get a Labour leader!!!!

Its essential to ditch all fantasy projects that cannot be afforded (like all of them).

I think its fair that poorer people are relieved of the burden of paying for the financial crisis which had nothing to do with them and that corporations and the better placed assume this liability.

Apart from anything else they have the money.

What is so leftie about it surely its just obvious.

How on earth can you possibly say you've got access to the unequivocal truth?

I certainly believe that, if elected, the Labour party would carry out what it says in its manifesto in respect of defence.

Their manifesto says nothing about what a particular person would do in respect of using Nucelar weapons, but I nor you can say with any certainty what anyone would actually do when presented with such an event. Neither can anyone who would, for whatever reason, wish to use a Nuclear weapon against the UK. That's the point.

So you can see. I've not actually lied - I merely pointed out that Labour's policy is not remotely in line with CND's aims. You're the only liar around here. I have no clue on what grounds you're calling my ethics into question either. Is it unethical to use published material to discredit unfounded statements?

Also, remember that, whatever Mrs May may wish, the PM is not an all powerful ruler. We still have the semblance of a parliamentary democracy where MPs can dissolve parliament and the leader of the opposition can be asked to form a government.

The BBC keep wheeling out spokespeople from the IFS.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies is one of BBC's favourite 'independent' think tanks. It is treated as though it is the fount of all wisdom on matters economic and political.

What we are never told is what the IFS actually is. BP, British Gas, Deloitte, GE, HSBC, KPMG, Lloyds, PWC, Shell, Lloyds, Standard Life, Zurich etc. all corporate members of the IFS. So when they talk about the 'independent' Institute for Fiscal Studies what they really mean is a mouthpiece for the interests of corporate big business.

BBC News. Not so much journalists as tame propogandandists for our privileged ruling elite.

Indeed. I was just struck by the fact it was an IFS response on the radio 4 one o'clock news to Corbyns manifesto speech. It always seems to be them. It wasn't till I Googled IFS when I got home that I found out who they actually comprised of.

Hence my ranty post (which I should have put in the Bert Head thread)!

Edited by nickgusset (16 May 2017 2.47pm)

Exactly. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change, regardless of what you think of him. We're so quick to defend the elites rights because apparently they are so important and we will simply become worse off if we piss them off, despite the fact they seem to ironically be the ones who consistently f*** everyone else over for there own gain. A 5% tax increase for the top 5% of earners is reasonable when you consider the state that a lot of our country is in. I don't see why policies such as that are looked upon as such a crazy ideas, especially when comparing it with illegal wars etc.

We're the Arthur over ere!